Um, I was saying I didn't remember if we intended for the HoC to also nominate Senators. I know the old system had the Senators nominating and then voting on new additions.Hotfoot wrote:So the purpose of the forum is to talk about things and make suggestions...but not for new Senators? There's a disconnect there.
Sorry, I didn't recall if mods had ban power. If it's admin only I do agree that the admins having to get Senate approval is a bit farfetched, though I can see them looking to us for advice if they're uncertain of whether someone warrants a ban or accepting the recommendation of the Senate to impose one.Technically, the mods can't ban, only the Admins, and they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want to do. The Senate is an advisory body only, and has been from the very beginning. The Admins NEVER needed Senate approval to do a damn thing. There have been multiple incidences of admins banning losers under Senate review before a vote has even been called. The implication that it's improper for admins to do their jobs and ban malcontents without the lethargic approval of the Senate is...well quite frankly, laughable.
I didn't say we actually were a check on mods, I said that was a natural purpose of the Senate.We were a check on moderators? Since when? Issues with moderators have almost exclusively been handled by other moderators and admins, and such matters are commonly held privately between the moderator and the complainant, as is board policy.
A) I didn't say the Senate existed just for this. B) I've been postulating logical powers for the Senate. If we don't have these powers and the functioning of the board does not require us to wield them, then, well, to continue on down...Even if the Senate existed for this sole purpose, how often is this needed? Often enough to warrant a special usergroup that inflates itself every month or so? What is gained from this over just relying on the existing system?
They have. The HoC, through full participation, takes activity from the Senate since even Senators participate in HoC threads.I've noticed most people seem to be paying more attention to the House of Commons lately than the Senate.
I don't disagree with this. If the Senate is not intended as a body of respected posters to advise the administration staff and to request bans or other punishment for misconduct, it has no purpose other than to be a forum of "elite" members of the board with a fancy title (which, ironically, isn't even displayed on their profiles anymore) who have pretensions to importance. At that rate we might as well disband the Senate as a forum and simply assign the title "Senator" as an honorific to posters who contribute to SDN in some way (as an artist with pictures or stories, as an excellent debater, or a respected moderator), assuming we don't just dissolve the rank itself.Sorry, there should be more past tense here.
i'm going to be blunt. I have very little patience for things with no purpose, and that's what the Senate strikes me as. All the "lol fun" activities were co-opted by Testing long ago, what with their Testingstan Presidential runs and such. We've just been a bunch of pompous asses with ILLUSIONS, and I can't stress that enough, ILLUSIONS of power who have been taking ourselves way too damn seriously.
All the fun? The perks? They're gone. The edit perk is basically useless now that the board has a reasonable editing policy. The "Senator" tag? Useless and gone, rightly so. Having fun? No fun in the Senate, we are serious here, because we have POWER! Only not.
Let's look at our other "jobs". We were an early warning system for trolls and retards. They're rather limited these days, in a way, we worked ourselves into retirement here. Especially with the report button, Mods and Admins have a much easier time of tracking the few malcontents we have here.
Board policy? How about the vast majority of the people who USE the board, instead of a bunch of often-absent Senators? If the suggestions make sense, the admins can add them. Seems to work well so far, with the addition of various bits of code here and there.
Personally, I don't much see the point to the Senate right now. The fun part is being handled by Testing, where we can have mindless fun and all that, and the serious part is being handled, quite well as far as I can tell, by the HoC.
So far, the only things I've heard to keep the Senate running are advocating adding complexity and wasting time just to give us something to do. Not to make running the board easier for the admins and mods, but just to give us something to waste time with, and waste time we do. For what? To make us feel important?
Unless someone can give me a legitimate purpose that the Senate helps the board run smoothly, I suggest we disband the Senate, lock this forum, and let the House of Commons take over.
At one time it may have been an interesting body to advise Mike and Dalton on forum matters and to provide a reward for SDN's best posters, a place to have some fun with each other, but as of now it's a hollow body with little to no purpose other than scratching itself on the back, deciding who, if any, are worthy of joining it, and sniping at non-Senators who don't like it.