[Question Before The Floor] Death.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2007-04-17 02:49am

In this thread our little retarded Spambot Death makes an assertion which should perhaps be considered more seriously than simple grounds to lock the thread.

Essentially, what he did was post something exceptionally ugly. In the guise of a poll, he is leaving open the option of something morally unconsciable as being an effective and moral act in certain circumstances: The murder of innocent children to force a fugitive from justice to reveal himself, at no guarantee that this would take place.

We have summary banning for advocating paedophilia, and it seems that advocating child murder ought have the same result, and such should be officially recorded in the rules.

Death was, granted, not advocating child murder, but he essentially created a thread in which he was encouraging the murder of children.

Therefore, though a summary banning, even for someone as worthless as Death, might not be warranted at the moment, perhaps consideration should be given to the resetting of his post-count and suspension of all avatar and sig privilages. Permanently. A temp-ban might also be a valid thought.

It's just really deeply unsettling to me to be back here and browsing and see such an obvious troll post a thread in which he creates a scenario, the sole purpose of which, seems to be to encourage people to react positively to the idea of murdering children in cold blood.

Post by **Edi** » 2007-04-17 03:04am

I don't think we need to go quite that far. If anything is done, a reprimand should be enough. I don't like the initial post, but it's a hypothetical scenario no worse than some others we've had here, though it was presented poorly and in a manner that would have been likely to derail it from the get-go.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2007-04-17 03:17am

Edi wrote:I don't think we need to go quite that far. If anything is done, a reprimand should be enough. I don't like the initial post, but it's a hypothetical scenario no worse than some others we've had here, though it was presented poorly and in a manner that would have been likely to derail it from the get-go.

Well, it was just a range of possible options to be floated on the matter.

I think the fact that he is universally recognized, and accordingly titled, as nothing more than a glorified spambot in terms of his contributions to the board, suggests to me that punishments to him should be meted out where it would hurt--in postcount, to sap any infantile pride, more or less.

The whole thread was basically "Would you kill two innocent kids to make it slightly more likely that you can capture a wanted Nazi." This may be in the same basic vein as other threads in the past, but it essentially postulates an exceptionally odious theory, not innocent at all, that anti-Nazism by definition sanctions any act, including child-murder, in furtherance of its aims. Some implicit endorsement seems to be included by the nature of the thread and the tone adopted.

I'm not too concerned about the issue, since he's doomed sooner or later, but this thread seems like sufficient justification for some kind of swift kick in the pants to be meted out.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2007-04-17 07:28am

One thing which probably bares mention, there are zero yes votes in that poll. Death himself either didn't cast a vote or voted no.

I would conclude that a more likely explainations for the poll is that Death either wanted to know if anyone could justify it, or just simply isn't very good at ethical postulates.

Also, going after Death for this could potentially narrow the scope for people using ethical dilemmas with difficult subject matter.

Post by **Edi** » 2007-04-17 07:48am

It's also noteworthy that Death has improved somewhat since the early days that got him titled. I agree about the contents of that thread with fgalkin's decision to shut it down, but harsh sanctions are not in order for the reasons Spyder pointed out.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-04-17 07:57am

Stringing up spamboy on that small of a notion?

We'd put up easily a good third of the hypothetical scenario makers in either OT or SLAM. While his topic was more singular in what would happen, there are plenty of people who do things of "Would you kill your ______ ?".

His was dumber for being singular and direct for being a person, not because of the subject matter since we've done the gauntlet of dumb and stupid questions.

Post by **Coyote** » 2007-04-17 10:40am

He pitched one extreme (child murder) against another (anti-Nazism). Hie final line in the OP ("the Jew in the boat decided against it, thinking of his own wife") suggests to me that he based this off of a real situation, or something like it, that came up. It's a sort of twisted Sophie's Choice, where instead of choosing between two chilren, the children are one side of the issue and another goal is on the other side.

It was presented in a clunky and amateurish way, but overall Death has improved considerably. The fact that Edi is not feasting on his entrails already is a sign of how he's come along; I was actually contemplating a poll to de-title him.

A reprimand to be more careful and think things through before posting might be sufficient.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2007-04-17 11:55am

Fair enough--you know far more of the backstory to this than I--but I really think de-titling him is quite inappropriate for the forseeable future.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2007-04-17 04:39pm

Maybe a warning then. IF he's improving, that means he's aware how he's regarded and he is genuinely interested in staying around. And threats aren't neccessay. But at the same time, consider this something of a wakeup call to be a bit more... selective, in how he does things. Because if it had been worse (or we had thought less of him) he probably would be in more trouble now.

If a small punishment is needed (or further) maybe temporary revocation of some privelege like sigging. Or reduction in sigging privleeges (partial? Like no images, or a reduction in the lines?)

Post by **fgalkin** » 2007-04-17 05:30pm

Just FYI, he tells me that he's basing it on a real incident, which he claims he saw in a documentary. Of course, that doesn't change the fact that his "dilemma" is idiotic, and exists only in the mind of DEATH (and perhaps, sensationalist documentary makers), because for everyone else the choice is clear. However, I do not think that DEATH deserves any sort of punishment beyond that already given.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-04-17 09:22pm

repremand,, and marina just posted, must check the temprature in hades. That and ask Leonidas for a dinner reservation...

Post by **fgalkin** » 2007-04-17 09:27pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:repremand,, and marina just posted, must check the temprature in hades. That and ask Leonidas for a dinner reservation...

Where have you been?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-04-17 09:30pm

Coyote wrote:He pitched one extreme (child murder) against another (anti-Nazism). Hie final line in the OP ("the Jew in the boat decided against it, thinking of his own wife") suggests to me that he based this off of a real situation, or something like it, that came up.

I don't see what the big deal is. It's a "what-if" scenario, allegedly based on real events. There was a thread a while back on "Would you kill your fellow SD.netter" with a Saw-like kill or be killed situation awhile back, and no one was calling for a banning.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2007-04-17 10:16pm

fgalkin wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:repremand,, and marina just posted, must check the temprature in hades. That and ask Leonidas for a dinner reservation...
Where have you been?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

To be fair in the same thread I posted this:

That headcount includes 1 inactive (Duchess) and 2 temporarily inactives (Yosemite and Zaia).

It should have been general knowledge that he was temporarily out of service

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GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2007-04-17 11:02pm

Coyote wrote:He pitched one extreme (child murder) against another (anti-Nazism). Hie final line in the OP ("the Jew in the boat decided against it, thinking of his own wife") suggests to me that he based this off of a real situation, or something like it, that came up. It's a sort of twisted Sophie's Choice, where instead of choosing between two chilren, the children are one side of the issue and another goal is on the other side.

It was presented in a clunky and amateurish way, but overall Death has improved considerably. The fact that Edi is not feasting on his entrails already is a sign of how he's come along; I was actually contemplating a poll to de-title him.

A reprimand to be more careful and think things through before posting might be sufficient.

I agree. Just warning him and tabling any thought of de-titling him for at least the near future should be sufficient this time.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-04-21 12:44pm

fgalkin wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:repremand,, and marina just posted, must check the temprature in hades. That and ask Leonidas for a dinner reservation...
Where have you been?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

erm my motherboard is F.U.B.A.R. I post like weekly now from a lousy public library computer at a rate of .25 per minute of use. while I move to a new appartment and save up for a new computer. oh and I shall soon be joining the late 20th century and getting a cell phone.....