Re: My Negative Title
Posted: 2009-07-02 07:41pm
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Agreed - I think our difference of opinion is in how high to set the bar.The Duchess of Zeon wrote: My assertion is merely that it should be far harder to have a title removed than to get one,
In other words, he has to be better than the most respected members of SD.net? I don't find that fair. Better than average, yes, certainly, but I feel it would be unfair to set the bar so high in this matter I couldn't get over it myself. That is where our stances differ.So, yes, I would personally want darthdavid to behave in a fashion well above and beyond the acceptable standard for Senators before his title is removed.
Looking back through the senate, I see that you are correct and much more open and fair than I have given you credit for. I wrote what I did because I was still feeling the sting from your first response to Darth David, and, now that I see and recall your tendency to promote any idea to the senate that you believe merits discussion, I feel like a bit of a jackass for that last comment. Sorry for that.The Duchess of Zeon wrote:The interesting thing about this claims is that I've actually produced a very large number of threads in the Senate uncritically proposing ideas or requests that people have PMed me or discussed elsewhere and wanted a Senator to support and present in the Senate for them. And in response I have often been extensively flamed and defended those ideas at a loss of reputation directed entirely against me, even though from start to finish I was merely trying to represent their views. Had Darth David asked me personally I would have gotten a poll in the Senate started to have his title removed even though I would have voted against it; I am not in the business of denying cloture, so to speak.Bob the Gunslinger wrote:I don't think it makes Darth David look spineless at all. Just reading your posts in this thread, I find you to be very unapproachable. No wonder people with negative titles don't pm you more often--they could just ask Marina for unwavering support if they wanted that kind of tongue-lashing.
And I'll add here that I'll continue to field other peoples' ideas, even anonymously, despite the flak I take for it, if you wish to send such requests to me. There are plenty of people who know that I respond helpfully in PMs already and I'd only hope more come to realize this.
It seems to me that the issue under discussion is really the nature of using negative titles as punishment. If the purpose of the title is to brand the member for a transgression in perpetuity, pour encourager les autres, then it should be extremely difficult, if not outright impossible, to remove a title.The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
My assertion is merely that it should be far harder to have a title removed than to get one, which is also why anything I may or may not have done in the past is irrelevant; I am holding darthdavid to a standard higher than myself--and I openly admit I am--because he already has a title. You may disagree with that rationale, but it's ultimately a subjective belief on how reversing punishment should be handled; to me it's something that happens only when a person has made contributions far more extensive than would be expected for any respected member, that's all. You should have to go "above and beyond" normal expectations, IMO, to have a title removed. So, yes, I would personally want darthdavid to behave in a fashion well above and beyond the acceptable standard for Senators before his title is removed.
Is that, however, anything other than a subjective opinion which will influence only my voting? Absolutely not, and I am quite pleased there is a divergence of opinion on the issue amongst Senators, as it means the Senate is properly representative of a wide range of views and beliefs.
To summarize what I've said in the Senate, an admin cannot unilaterally overturn the results of a title poll, only Mike can. Removal of negative custom titles should be the prerogative of the organ that gives them out, they are not the same as general custom titles or name changes.Ghost Rider wrote:Or like every other transgression, ask an admin, and present your case.
This gets a bit annoying when said posters have no problems asking priviliges like one note titles, and name changes to rush forward...but the removal of a title and presenting a case of why they do not deserve said title anymore, people need to be drama whores and plead their case to the public.