Darth Wong's Arab Nation Bashing

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-26 07:11pm

Well, since the "Darth Wong's Israel Bashing" Thread has gone on for so long, I'd thought I introduce a thread for the other side of the coin. Specifically, the Middle East page has many paragraphs as to why the Israelis are assholes, and only one about why the other Arab nations are assholes. This can easily be explained by the fact that most people already know the Arab nations are assholes!

Is there anyone here who likes Saudi? How about Iran? Iraq? Libia? Syria? Sudan? The Taliban? Yemen? Pakistan? etc. It's true that some Arab countries have gotten more secular and less assholic, but would you ever considering living there?

So, am I correct in assuming that you think the Arab nations are full of shitheads, or are there some supporters on this board that we need to flame? Anyone?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-12-26 07:15pm

To me, it's at the point where we might as well glass the whole damn region and put a giant mall or resort there, that way we can get some usefulness out of it.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-12-26 07:20pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:Well, since the "Darth Wong's Israel Bashing" Thread has gone on for so long, I'd thought I introduce a thread for the other side of the coin. Specifically, the Middle East page has many paragraphs as to why the Israelis are assholes, and only one about why the other Arab nations are assholes. This can easily be explained by the fact that most people already know the Arab nations are assholes!

Is there anyone here who likes Saudi? How about Iran? Iraq? Libia? Syria? Sudan? The Taliban? Yemen? Pakistan? etc. It's true that some Arab countries have gotten more secular and less assholic, but would you ever considering living there?

So, am I correct in assuming that you think the Arab nations are full of shitheads, or are there some supporters on this board that we need to flame? Anyone?

I certainly think they are full of shitheads.

Israel and the Arabian countries can wipe each other out for all I care.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2002-12-26 07:22pm

Iran is not an Arab country...

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-26 07:25pm

Oberleutnant wrote:Iran is not an Arab country...

Well, I guess Sudan isn't either. How about Arab/Muslim idiot country?

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2002-12-26 07:27pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Oberleutnant wrote:Iran is not an Arab country...
Well, I guess Sudan isn't either. How about Arab/Muslim idiot country?

That would probably do just fine.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-12-26 07:49pm

Yeah, Iran is Persian... still lots and lots of Muslim Fundie Assholes there.

One country with a significant muslim population that I'd classify as redeemable is Turkey. As for all the ones in the poll... yeah, I don't think we need a "The True Nature of Syria" essay to know they're a pack of bastards.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-26 07:51pm

Last option.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-26 07:52pm

OK, WHO'S THE DUMBFUCK WHO LIKES SAUDI?

THE PROPANE HAS BEEN LIT, SET FORWARD AND RECIEVE YOUR FLAMING!

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-12-26 08:06pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:OK, WHO'S THE DUMBFUCK WHO LIKES SAUDI?

THE PROPANE HAS BEEN LIT, SET FORWARD AND RECIEVE YOUR FLAMING!

I wasn't aware that George W. Bush visited our board.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2002-12-26 08:06pm

I voted for Jordan, because from what I've heard/read, that country has been improving a lot lately. Although if I would have to choose the Muslim country I like most, it would definetely be Turkey.

BTW, is it just me, or are many Arab nations extremely ungrateful bunch with their US relations? Just look at the history how USA practically saved Saudi Arabia and Kuwait from Iraqi invasion...

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-12-26 08:14pm

Oberleutnant wrote:I voted for Jordan, because from what I've heard/read, that country has been improving a lot lately. Although if I would have to choose the Muslim country I like most, it would definetely be Turkey.

BTW, is it just me, or are many Arab nations extremely ungrateful bunch with their US relations? Just look at the history how USA practically saved Saudi Arabia and Kuwait from Iraqi invasion...

same here

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-26 08:41pm

Jordan is possibly the coolest Middle East country there is. Jordan and the UAE.

Get this, the king of jordan likes riding a harley around the desert. And he's often clean shaven.

And the UAE has lots of gold and the best hotel on the planet. Literally. The only hotel to get a 5 star rating or something like that.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-26 08:57pm

Durandal wrote:To me, it's at the point where we might as well glass the whole damn region and put a giant mall or resort there, that way we can get some usefulness out of it.

No shit.

That's the really sad thing about all of this: the two sides almost deserve each other.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-26 08:58pm

Actually, I think that rather than "Arab", we should perhaps say "Islamic", since that's the real problem.

McNum · Post by **McNum** » 2002-12-26 08:59pm

I voted Iraq. I like them in that wierd love/hate kind of thing.In some strange, twisted "Evil Overlord" kind of way Saddam is actually a little cool. He has that rare ability to twist people around his finger by apparently playing along while doing his secret stuff so in a way that nobody really notices...

That he's a dictator that opresses his people is where the "hate" part comes in...

I mean you can call Saddam a lot of things (and probably will) but stupid isn't one of them...

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-12-26 09:03pm

I like them; they give me Nukes for odd reasons something about a Jihad. I dunno I just plan on using the plutonium for a floursoceunt backyard and maybe some Tamaco.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2002-12-26 09:27pm

Actually Iraq is very secular when it comes to middle eastern nations. I believe that the women are actually allowed to vote. Still, I wouldn't ever live there.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-12-26 09:42pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Durandal wrote:To me, it's at the point where we might as well glass the whole damn region and put a giant mall or resort there, that way we can get some usefulness out of it.
No shit.

That's the really sad thing about all of this: the two sides almost deserve each other.

Almost?

ArmorPierce wrote:Actually Iraq is very secular when it comes to middle eastern nations. I believe that the women are actually allowed to vote. Still, I wouldn't ever live there.

To be fair, the ballot cards in Iraq are something like this:

Vote for Saddam
Don't vote for Saddam (you'll be shot upon exiting the poll if you choose this option)

So, really, the only reason Iraq allows women to vote is to maintain an illusion of democracy. If you're going to force people to vote for you, you might as well force everyone to vote for you, so you can appear as though everyone has the right to vote in your nation.

I'd support liberating Iraq, but the media there is so tightly controlled that everyone supports Hussein, and they don't want to be liberated.

J · Post by J » 2002-12-26 10:10pm

I lived in Kuwait from 92-95, and although it was exciting and felt like a big adventure to me (I was about 12 then) it's not somewhere I'd want to settle down and live in for any length of time. Kuwait was more open than most of the other arab countries, but as a white female there were still many things I couldn't do. Us kids had to attend a special school for foreign students for one thing, and it was understood that there were certain areas in town where we were not welcome. On the bright side we weren't required to wear shaws or cover our faces or any of that stuff, and they didn't have religious police hunting us down. I thought it was pretty fun and all, but I'd much rather live in Canada!

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-12-26 10:15pm

All of the nations listed in the poll I hate, but I believe Quatar, the UAE, and Kuwait are pretty well off from the oil wealth. Also, I believe out of all the Islamic nations, Turkey was rated "most free".

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2002-12-26 10:24pm

I've been to Turkey. I heard bad things about the rural areas, but Istanbul was great.

tharkûn · Post by **tharkûn** » 2002-12-26 11:56pm

Not all Islamic countries are absolute crap, I vote like Jordan because they:
1. Have compotent leadership.
2. Actually give some semblance of a damn about their citezens.
3. Send their leaders abroad to be educated.
4. Gave up the death to the nonmuslims bit long ago.

Saudi Arabia can be divided into two parts:
1. The pro-west House of Saud factions (i.e. large part of the national gaurd).
2. The Wahabi factions.

The former is tolerable, the latter think trapping improperly covered girls in a burning building is better than letting them run loose in the street with uncovered hair. Slowly the former is gaining in power and popularity, it just has 75% of the population to convert.

UAE has always been a bright spot.

Mushareff seems to be a decent leader, granted this is largely in comparison with his competition. The rest of Pakistan can rot.

Iran ... well the reformists are actually sane, too bad they can do jack didly squat.

Turkey, and at times some of the south-east Asian states are good countries, but in so many "Islamic Republics" the only redeeming quality are the despotic leaders at the top. Greed is such a wonderful modernizing force.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-27 01:45am

I voted Jordan since they were very freindly when I visited there and at the time of the Oslo accords were very open-minded about Israel and peace. I went there with a friend in 1999 and they had Jordanian and Israeli flags flying together to celebrate the anniversary of a peace treaty.

They are relatively secular, the girls do wear robes but were able to talk socially. The young King Mohammed II speaks fluent English and is a genuinely open-minded guy about the West.

Oddly enough, during the Black September military strikes against the PLO, Syria was threatened by invasion from Syria to support the PLO and Israel actually came to the aid of an Arab country-- they massed troops on the border and threatened counter-attack if Syria crossed the Jordanian border; the Syrians backed down and the Jordanians have been relatively agreeable ever since.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2002-12-27 02:43am

Darth Wong wrote:Actually, I think that rather than "Arab", we should perhaps say "Islamic", since that's the real problem.

More precisely Muslims of the Salafi school; of which the KSA is entirely comprised (Wahhabism being a State-oriented branch of Salafism).

One thing I found interesting is that in many Muslim countries, Christmas celebrations for the Christian minorities are tolerated: In Iraq, in Egypt, and so on; and also for foreign visitors and workers, in Yemen and so on. In Saudi Arabia however they are banned even for foreigners.

Being an atheist that might not be a big deal, but it is indicative of the level of intolerance of the Salafi branch. Typically Islam can be very tolerant of other religions once they have been conquered, or at least States of other religions brought to vassalage (Moldavia, Wallachia, Transylvania, etc, under Ottoman Vassalage - Basically left alone). But the Wahhabis are not, and that is what's so worrying about them.

There are four broadly secular Arab countries: Syria, Iraq, Tunisia, and Algeria. Of these Algeria has problems with Muslim fundamentalists fighting guerilla actions in the south; Syria supports Shi'ite fundamentalists in Lebanon for strategic reasons, but keeps them at arms length, and Iraq has of late appealed to fundamentalism in its efforts against the USA; though the country is still basically of a more secular bent. None of the four are democracies.

Oman and Bahrain both have limited parliamentary elements which genuinely function, based on a fixed constitution in which the rights of the (Sultan and Sheikh respectively) are mandated and limited: Jordan has a parliament as well but I'm not sure if it's more than a safety valve.

Turkey is a genuinely secular country with a functional democratic republic, and stands alone in that respect in the Muslim world -- Demonstrating that it can be done. The curious thing is that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish Republic, started his effort on becoming enraged, seeing foreign troops occupying Istanbul. He realized that Turkey would need to copy the West to remain independent - even in such matters as secularism. He was right and he succeeded.

Now whenever something goes wrong in a Muslim country they just try to reinterpet the Sheriat or apply it more thoroughly; and the end result is usually worse trouble. That, I fear, is the influence of Saudi Arabia and the massive amount of money that country has been pouring into propagandaizing the extremist doctrine of Wahhabism.

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