Why i hate baptists

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-05 06:49pm

There is a very good reason why i hate the baptist church.

When i was about 17 i had a cousin i who dies of Lukemia. She was about a year older then me and we went to the same high school. She was diagnosed of Lukemia and dies in a very short space to time. This was coz her Baptish parents refused to believe that she was ill "all tenagers are liars" blah blah blah.

AT her funeral the pastor or whatever he was preached a cermon about how all teenagers were sinners and that Georgina, my cousin was a sinner.

I don't get this. My cousin was a faithful christian, she attended her church and followed all the bible's teachings. Yet because she was a young person she was condemed?

I had been very close to my cousin, i had defended her when the guys in my class called her names coz her parents refused to own a TV coz TV was "the devils messanger". She died in pain i cannot imagine, yet she was a sinner. She devoted her life to her church at the enxpece of having a normal life.

I was very pissed off and in fact i and half of the ourners walked out. On my way out i spat on the bible beside the door. Georgina's side of my family decided i was a heratic and disowned me very publically outside the church.

This is why i hate christian fundamentalists. they took the live of my cousin and cheapened it to make a recruitment sermon.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-05 06:54pm

Very sorry to hear what happened. My condolences.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-05 07:06pm

My condolences. That's really shitty. I would have gone up and smacked that preacher. And taken a gun to her parents.

Has anyone investigated? That sound like a clear cut case of negligent homicide or manslughter. Unless they're willing to brush it under the rug then they'll have a solid case.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-05 07:14pm

That's just awful. I'm very sorry for your loss

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2002-12-05 07:22pm

Wow, that sucks. Good for you though, standing up to them.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2002-12-05 07:29pm

Yeah, it really hurts to lose a family member. You have my sympathy.

I will have to add this to my ever-growing list of 'why religion should have never been thought up', though.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2002-12-05 07:30pm

Sorry to hear that, man... What happened afterwards?

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2002-12-05 07:43pm

Probably not much else. The parents most likely went on with their lives, blissfully ignorant that they just let their daughter die, because Jesus said it's okay to distrust your own family, so long as the church says so.

Oh wait, no he didn't. Damn cultists, always screwing up the words.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-12-05 07:44pm

Sheesh...yet another mark for me to put in my little black book on which denominations to never listen to. I am very sorry for your loss, and hope you will seek out counseling if you need it. I know I was very close to breaking down a few months ago when a friend of mine died in a car accident, and only didn't need counseling because I work in a counseling center and talked to the shrinks when they were off-duty.

I don't understand how the fundies can draw in so many people. Their theology is bad, everyone who's not a fundie can't stand them, and anyone with the least bit of common sense would not remain fundamentalist for more than a couple days before coming to the realization that it's not a tenable worldview. This is a shame, and I hope your problems with the Baptists won't cause you to believe that all Christian denominations think that way. We don't. Teenagers are no better or worse than anybody else (I'm technically still a teenager, yet I function as a technician and sometimes layperson for services). While it is true that your cousin "died a sinner," that is true of everyone within Christian belief, since nobody leads a sinless life. That does not prevent the person from being saved, according to proper doctrine.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-05 08:50pm

You have my deepest and most heartfelt condolences.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-05 08:56pm

My deepest condoleneces.

Oi...to have them do that to their child because a bunch of one sided morons don't want to gaze into the truth of things.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-05 09:56pm

Gah, that blows. My condolences.

And people say religion doesn't hurt anyone.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-12-05 10:04pm

religion = shit pile

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-12-05 10:08pm

That's horrible.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2002-12-05 10:08pm

The Fundys will burn in Hell for that. God never said that, and never will.

I hate Fundys...

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-05 10:08pm

Pounder, I feel sorry for you.

I am never going to look at my religion the same way again.

Damn, that sucks.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-05 10:12pm

I'm sorry, DP-- those people were evil and I don't blame you one bit. My condolances, and you are definitely in the right place here.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-05 10:17pm

What an awful experience. What kind of asshole would insult the deceased at her own funeral? WTF is wrong with this fuckwad?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-05 10:20pm

Darth Wong wrote:What an awful experience. What kind of asshole would insult the deceased at her own funeral? WTF is wrong with this fuckwad?

The same kind of asshole that protests homosexuals at homosexual funerals.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-05 11:29pm

Darth Wong wrote:What an awful experience. What kind of asshole would insult the deceased at her own funeral? WTF is wrong with this fuckwad?

The kind that deserves a 9MM to the back of the head and a shallow grave.

XPViking · Post by **XPViking** » 2002-12-06 12:01am

Darth Pounder,

My condolences.

XPViking

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2002-12-06 08:28am

My condolences...and I applaud you for what you did.

KG

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-06 04:10pm

Thanks very much fella's.

Outside the church my cousin's dad grabed me by the necka nd asked me what the hell i thought i was doing, BTW i refuse to think of that bastard as my uncle, i told him that that funeral was a disgrace. Georgina had been a lovely girl, she had no bad bone in her body. I told him he was a failure as a father. If he loved his daughter even a tenth as much as he loved his god then they'd have seen Georgina was ill and maybe they could have saved her. At that point all the members of my family who were members of that church, about 20 of them, gathered arround me and told me i was an evil wee boy, that i was a disgrace to my family and i was no officially not a member of "their family". The other half of my family agreed whole heartedly with me and we all walked off and went to the bar to have a drink. My dad told me he was proud of me and that i had real balls for standing up for my cousin. to this day one half of my family refuse to talk to the other half. I am over her death now, it was a while ago, but it galled me how these people had the gall to devalue her life. In my opinion a fineral should be a celebration of the life of the person you knew and loved.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2002-12-10 04:49pm

That's a pretty unpleasant story alright. I'm an atheist myself, so don't take this the wrong way, but I think you must have got some atypical Baptists there. I grew up in a Baptist church; my mother and her parents belonged to it, and my dad was a lapsed Catholic (he's since gotten back into it). None of the Baptists I know ever behaved like that. They are, basically, fundamentalists. They are biblical inerrantists - at least most of them; I suspect there are a few who are more reasonable in that church. They are as irrational about their faith as most fundies are. But I have never known them to be offensive about it. I've been to funerals where most of them probably thought that the deceased had gone to hell, and the tone was solemn but still respectful. I've never known them to hesitate to avail themselves or any of their loved ones (of any age) of medical treatment). I no longer find myself able to share their beliefs, and I don't go to the church anymore, but since my grandmother and mother still attend regularly, and still have many friends there, I see some of them often when I'm visiting my relatives. I occasionally roll my eyes at some bit of nonsense or other they spout, but I hold my tongue. Basically, they're mostly decent folks, despite the irrationality of their religion and their faith in it. Fundies scare me to a certain extent, and I lament the grip they have on American culture, but even for fundies, the group you describe sound extreme.

Shadowhawk · Post by **Shadowhawk** » 2002-12-10 06:02pm

My funeral experience wasn't anywhere near that bad, but it still pissed me off.
My grandmother died two years ago around Christmas time (it's weird--I know the day I wrecked my van last year, but I can't remember the either of the days my grandmothers passed away on). We flew down to California for the service.
She was a rather religious woman (sent most of her kids to Catholic school--now most of her kids are apathetic Cathlolics at best), and tried to get me to believe in God for a while when I was 10 or so (she sent me a Children's Picture Bible that sat on my bookshelf for 5 years. I never even opened the cover).
Halfway through the service, the preacher/pastor/father/whatever began glorifying the fact that she was dead--that she was in a better place; that we should all be so lucky to follow her up; that we're all sinners in need of salvation. Up to that point, it had mostly been about her, with pictures and slides and everything. I was having a hard time keeping my emotions in check. When all the sinner shit started, I felt nothing but resentment.

I've now decided that funerals are simply Bad Things. The typical religious funeral does not help the healing process at all; it extends it, forces you to confront things before your mind has had a chance to cope, and often serve as nothing more than an attempt to get more followers by invading their minds while they grieve.