CHALLENGE: Debate An Islamic Message board...

[MKSheppard]

C'mon, no need to limit it to Christian FUNDIES......

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C'mon, I want to see you all rip the Islamic books to shreds, the same
way you rip the KJV Bible to shreds.....

[Darth Wong]

C'mon, no need to limit it to Christian FUNDIES......

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C'mon, I want to see you all rip the Islamic books to shreds, the same
way you rip the KJV Bible to shreds.....

That would require that we read yet another boring piece of shit book. I've got some quotes for Islamic intolerance which come in handy, but thorough study of the Koran would take a long time.

[MKSheppard]

That would require that we read yet another boring piece of shit book. I've got some quotes for Islamic intolerance which come in handy, but thorough study of the Koran would take a long time.

Meh, says the guy who can rip the KJV to shreds......and probably has half
of it memorized inadverdently

[Dark Primus]

I doubt they have any interests coming here to debate about their beliefs.

[Enlightenment]

The Islamic form of religious debate involves guns, car bombs, firebombs, suicide bombs, and box cutters. They're among one of the few online groups who are nuts enough to hunt down an kill people who annoy them online.

In case anyone thinks I'm exadgerating here, note that the now-infamous exploding sneaker man posted fairly regularly to soc.culture.islam. The potential for members of al Qaida and other serious terrorist groups to also be members of Islamic websites and discussion forums is very much non trivial.

[Colonel Olrik]

The Islamic form of religious debate involves guns, car bombs, firebombs, suicide bombs, and box cutters. They're among one of the few online groups who are nuts enough to hunt down an kill people who annoy them online.

In any case, I think I would be safe. I mean, chances are they don't know where's my country

[Yogi]

What have the Muslims ever done to us? (j/k)

Seriously, we know very little about the Koran, and so will not be able to argue effectively.

[Durandal]

Well, the Biblical Old Testament is one of their holy books. That says a lot right there.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

What have the Muslims ever done to us? (j/k)

Seriously, we know very little about the Koran, and so will not be able to argue effectively.

Yep, that's the only reason I can't get more fired up about Muslims. I'm not subjected to their brainwashing attempts on a daily basis.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

I say why not. After we're finished with CreationWeb, let's sweeten the pot with some Islamic extremism.

Just study the Koran a bit, learn Arabic, and stone your wife for using your towel, and you'll be ready ot face them.

[Enlightenment]

What have the Muslims ever done to us? (j/k)

Well, there was this little incident sometime back in 2001 when three buildings got hit by Islamicised aircraft. And there have been a few problems with suicide bombs here and there. Nothing major, really: just around six or seven thousand dead in the past half-decade....

[weemadando]

What have the Muslims ever done to us? (j/k)

Well, there was this little incident sometime back in 2001 when three buildings got hit by Islamicised aircraft. And there have been a few problems with suicide bombs here and there. Nothing major, really: just around six or seven thousand dead in the past half-decade....

As compared to several hundred million dead and hundreds of cultures destroyed by Christianity over the past millenia

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Bah. Christian fundies go "YOU GO TO HELL!" Islamic fundies go "I SEND YOU TO HELL!"

[weemadando]

I've registered. Most of the people there seem to be well balanced, but there are a few hardliners. Plus the mods seem to be very liberal in what they allow to be talked about so bannings etc shouldn't be an issue.

[Exonerate]

I've also signed up, and it seems a lot nicer than CW.org. Also, they seem to be more willing to tolerate others.

[EmperorChrostas the Cruel]

Weemadando:

More of your anti western/christian bias? I don't know how to use the quote function, so I must do it this way
Weemadando "As compared to several hundred million dead.....by christianity over the past millenia."

What a crock of shit.
First of all, I don't think that many people,(several hundred million) have been killed in war AND religious conflict, in the last millenia. That comes out to, (being generous,) and converting the variable "several" into 2, a total of 200,000 people per YEAR, killed in conflict. I am not so up on my historical population, but I don't think the last thousand years, barring the last 150, have been THAT bloody. To medevial tech, 20,000 deaths in a battle was noteworthy. Note to the thick headed: Don't pull 20 or thirty big battle out of the history book, and show me that big battles took place, and lots of people died. I know that, and by definition, the battles you have read about, WERE noteworthy. If you add up the total kill count,of all the low and medium tech big battles, it is a tiny sliver of the body count of the last millenia.

I think you pulled a big number out of your ass.

However, if, in fact, that many people have died in battle, only a small percentage of these battles are religious in nature.
As I recall in MY history, the greatest death tolls in wars, were the wars between France, England, Spain, whoever was fighting who at the time.
The majority of war deaths, in the last millenia were, WWll, WWl, Korean war, American civil war, French civil war, Neopolianic wars, and many "colony wars", ect, ect,ect....
None of the REAL world class slaughterfests happened more than 3 HUNDRED years ago. Virualy NONE of the World Class Slaughterfests, were religious in nature! (Ghengis Khan Shut up! )OK, ALMOST none of the WCSs were in the first 2/3 of the last millenia.

The only reigious wars were the crusades, and these were close to 1000 years ago.

The myth that Chritainity is presently the moral equivalant to Islam is a big fat lie, put forward by the far left, who's goal is to get all those who worship God, to substitute Government as thir object of worshit.
They start with Christianty, because it is in the land that they, (the left) are in. That and the Islamic countries VIOLENLY opposed all attempts at "shifting the object of faith".

Christianity, Islam, and other theistic, supernatural views of the world are all false, but do not have the same outcome if believed.

All forms of delusion are not equally dangerous, to the undeluded nearby.
For instance: Would you rather have your crazy neighbor think he is Jesus, or Satan? Abe Lincoln, or Jeffrie Dahlmer? Ladie Di, or Jack the Ripper?

Unfortunatly, the odds are, a Muslim living next door, is 1000 times (or GREATER!)more likely to be a terrorist, than the irksome Born Again on the other side.
The chances of EITHER being a terrorist are miniscule, but measurable, and yes, one number is significantly larger than the other.
The chances of the Muslim being a more agreable on matters of leaving my spiritual destiny to me, are also greater! Ha! Ha! The Fundies just HAVE to preach SOMETIMES! They just can't help it. But I digress.

As to the hundreds of cultures destroyed, most were destroyed, again, by expanding European countries, not Christainity. Note to the thick headed: Christianity, has been pushed, by the secular state, and used as a willing tool of power, to get all the more controle over the locals. Again, the same bunch of states. Again, not by Christanity. In fact, secular economic and cultural expansionism in Europe is the guilty party here.

It is to be noted here, that the Europeans only did the expand and conquest because of their tech base. Any one of many continents could have gone the same way if they came up with the propper tech base FIRST.

[Pavel]

In reply to what Muslims ever done to us,
You simply would not be reading this message in front of an electric monitor for that 1400 years before, the basics of maths, algebra, physics and astronomy were invented by arabian and middle eastern scientists and being practiced for medicine and natural understandings, at the times when europeans were still cavemen good at hunting owls, cutting eachothers heads and building bad ass middle age axes.
I guess for a science fan like you who look up to the stars and hope that some day humans will be there, you should look back a bit into history books and give credit to who contributed to this journey of science, and also try to build a better future by solving present conflicts between different cultures.

Well, the Biblical Old Testament is one of their holy books. That says a lot right there.

[The Dark]

In reply to what Muslims ever done to us,
You simply would not be reading this message in front of an electric monitor for that 1400 years before, the basics of maths, algebra, physics and astronomy were invented by arabian and middle eastern scientists and being practiced for medicine and natural understandings, at the times when europeans were still cavemen good at hunting owls, cutting eachothers heads and building bad ass middle age axes.
I guess for a science fan like you who look up to the stars and hope that some day humans will be there, you should look back a bit into history books and give credit to who contributed to this journey of science, and also try to build a better future by solving present conflicts between different cultures.

True, the Arabs developed further science off the Greek texts that they captured from the European colonies they conquered in Africa, the northern Middle East, and the Balkans. Those texts were commonly translated to Arabic by captured Christian and Jewish scholars. To claim it was the Arabians alone who did this is fallacious, since it involved many non-Arabs in the original translation of the books. It is impossible to say whether the Europeans would have gone through the Dark Ages had the Arabs not captured the great libraries and taken the knowledge the Europeans had initially begun and then developed it over the course of the next six centuries.

[Darth Servo]

True, the Arabs developed further science off the Greek texts that they captured from the European colonies they conquered in Africa, the northern Middle East, and the Balkans. Those texts were commonly translated to Arabic by captured Christian and Jewish scholars. To claim it was the Arabians alone who did this is fallacious, since it involved many non-Arabs in the original translation of the books. It is impossible to say whether the Europeans would have gone through the Dark Ages had the Arabs not captured the great libraries and taken the knowledge the Europeans had initially begun and then developed it over the course of the next six centuries.

Not to mention some of the ideas comming from the far east as well. We can't credit any particular group of people for the development of modern society. Furthermore, does anyone really think those ideas would not have come about without any particular group?

[fgalkin]

http://www.clearguidance.com/showthread ... eadid=5345
Just for this the board should be shut down.


If you can't see the post, what got me angry is the sig of a user named Abu Dujanah, or at least the pictures part of it.

Men, who are more worthy of our leadership:


From right: Shaykh Abu Qataadah al-Philisteeni, Doctor Ayman ath-Thawaahiri, Abu Hafs al-Misree, Commander Shaamil Basayev, Shaykh Abu Hafs al-Muritaani, Abu Hafs al-Misree, Imaam 'Abdullah 'Azzam, Commander Abul-Waleed, Commander Saalem as-Swaylem (Khattab), Shaykh Usaamah bin Laaden

Even our friend Osma bin Fucker is here.

And this is the proof the Russian authorities need to link the Chechens with international terrorism.

That fucker should die, IMO.

[Pavel]

Well, i don't give credit to one side of the planet for modernizing our lives, i simply wrote that, give credit to who contributed in develloping the basics of modern science, it is a proven fact that the arabian mathematician and poet Muhammed ibn Musa al-Khowarizmi invented algebra and called it al-jabr in arabic which means to reconnect something broken to pieces.
There's nothing absolutely original but life and existence itself, everything is a process of developement and inspiration from earlier discoveries, who invented the car was ispired by the industrial steam engines , and thomas savrey who invented the steam engine was inspired by the mechanical water comanding engine of Worcester and so on.
but in my responce to what did the muslims ever did to us , i was clear that they enormously and whithout a doubt contributed and did to us in medicine, phisics and maths, just like any other old culture did, it's total ignorance and pethatic to deny it and confuse the credits & facts because of the awfull recent suicidal attacks, unless you belong to the club of masters of spreding confusion and lies to desperately achieve world dominance by poluting & hiding behind one of the oldest and wonderfull cultures in history (judaism & juwish).
Please notify me if i'm wrong.

True, the Arabs developed further science off the Greek texts that they captured from the European colonies they conquered in Africa, the northern Middle East, and the Balkans. Those texts were commonly translated to Arabic by captured Christian and Jewish scholars. To claim it was the Arabians alone who did this is fallacious, since it involved many non-Arabs in the original translation of the books. It is impossible to say whether the Europeans would have gone through the Dark Ages had the Arabs not captured the great libraries and taken the knowledge the Europeans had initially begun and then developed it over the course of the next six centuries.

Not to mention some of the ideas comming from the far east as well. We can't credit any particular group of people for the development of modern society. Furthermore, does anyone really think those ideas would not have come about without any particular group?

[The Duchess of Zeon]

True, the Arabs developed further science off the Greek texts that they captured from the European colonies they conquered in Africa, the northern Middle East, and the Balkans. Those texts were commonly translated to Arabic by captured Christian and Jewish scholars. To claim it was the Arabians alone who did this is fallacious, since it involved many non-Arabs in the original translation of the books. It is impossible to say whether the Europeans would have gone through the Dark Ages had the Arabs not captured the great libraries and taken the knowledge the Europeans had initially begun and then developed it over the course of the next six centuries.

Not to mention some of the ideas comming from the far east as well. We can't credit any particular group of people for the development of modern society. Furthermore, does anyone really think those ideas would not have come about without any particular group?

The "Arabic" numerical system actually originated in India during the Gupta period, and included the use of the zero.

[Phil]

And they have some very pretty tesselations!