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Kill live bacteria with zombie bacteria

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http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/ ... 226728.htm

Zombie bacteria may help heal wounds
Monday, 4 May 2015 Karl Gruber
ABC
Bacteria killed with silver can destroy living bacterial strains through a novel mechanism dubbed 'the zombie effect', a new study has found.

In the study, strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa were killed with silver nitrate solution, a common antibacterial agent.

The bacterial cadavers were isolated, cleaned through and exposed to fresh, live Pseudomonas strains.

Exposure to nitrate solution didn't simply kill the bacteria, it actually turned them into long-lasting, silver-releasing 'zombie' bacterial killers.

"If an antibacterial agent remains chemically active after the killing action, then this is not the end of the story, but only the beginning of it", says the study's lead author Dr David Avnir of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in Israel.

"In principle, if not washed away, the same amount of agent can kill generation after generation," says Avnir.

The study, published in the journal Scientific Reports , is the first to report this novel antibacterial mechanism and has potential implications in the way wounds are treated, says Avnir.

"[The new mechanism] offers an explanation to the observation that in many cases the activity of antibacterial agents is prolonged, much beyond what one would expect from the administered dose."

He says the findings may lead to reduced doses of antibacterial medicines and reduce the toxicity effects in a range of applications that use metallic and non-biodegradable antibacterial agents such as the treatment of wounds and cleaning of circulated water.

Silver lining
A key aspect of antimicrobial agents concerns their long-term effectiveness, which is crucial in preventing bacterial re-colonisation.

In this sense, a major focus of recent research has been the development of an effective and long-term delivery system of antibacterial agents.

Some metals like copper and silver have been extensively studied for the antibacterial properties properties of their cations. The slow release of these positively charged atoms have been used to successfully prevent contamination of wounds, biomedical devices and textiles.

Avnir and his team set out to answer the long-standing question of what happens to silver after it kills the bacteria.

"From that question, and using some basic rules of chemistry, it became obvious to us that the silver which is contained in the dead bacteria, must be available to be released from the dead bacteria, and kill a new population of viable bacteria; it worked … beyond our expectations," he says.

Now Avnir seeks to apply his findings to other antibacterial agents and microorganisms.

"We intend to test how many cycles can a single dose can kill by forming generations of zombies," he says.
Zombies.
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Interesting find. I wonder how this works in vivo.
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cosmicalstorm wrote:Interesting find. I wonder how this works in vivo.
I'd assume that it would work similarly: bacteria takes in antibiotic, dies, releases antibiotic when membrane is disrupted/degraded. There are some HUGE caveats to this though.
Off the top of my head:
1. Not all antibiotics are released again in their active state. Most antibiotics kill microorganisms by disrupting a crucial biochemical pathway. This is often done by binding to an enzme in the cell stronger than the enzyme's target substrate to render the enzyme useless. Others may bind at a secondary site of the enzyme allosterically changing it - again rendering the enzyme useless. These types would not be released again because they are already 'used up'.
2. Antibiotics that kill microorganisms through means other than described above - such as with enzymes that breakdown bacterial components - could conceivably be released and used again. The problem with these antibiotics is two-fold. First, the human body is gonna be trying its hardest to flush out or otherwise absorb dead bacteria and the released components, so the antibiotic doesn't have the staying power observed on surfaces or in petri dishes. Second, an enzyme that targets bacteria needs to be VERY selective so as not to disrupt the microbiome of the person. There are more bacterial cells than human cells in our bodies, so an enzyme that indescriminately lays waste to microorganisms is terrible for people. Even our more selective antiobiotics still cause collateral damage - especially in the intestines. So a lasting antibiotic used to treat infection A that also kills a couple species of good bacteria may end up clearing the way for infection B to step in and colonize.

The article seemed to stress the use of lasting antibiotics in a topical application situation. I fully endorse this for many reasons. If you don't need antibiotics in your system, it's better to leave them out. They are damaging to your microbiome and they promote the evolution of antibiotic resistance within your own system. This is bad for many reasons. Antibiotics work great at disinfecting a wound or site of injury. Antibiotics with lasting power are preferrential in these cases, and in fact will last longer because the body won't be actively removing them.
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They didn't use antibiotics per se. They used silver nitrate with the silver being the active toxin. You can't metabolise an element into another element. :D
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mr friendly guy wrote:They didn't use antibiotics per se. They used silver nitrate with the silver being the active toxin. You can't metabolise an element into another element. :D
Anything that kills bacteria can be considered an antibiotic. Silver reacts with the thiol groups of proteins to inhibit their action, as I explained above. I did neglect to include antibiotics that bind to the DNA of bacteria and stop replication - as silver also does. I never said anything about changing an element to another element. To use silver nitrate as an example, when silver binds to the protein's thiol group(s), it stays there. The silver isn't going to unbind just because the cell stopped its processes.
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But it will unbind if the cell is dead and decomposes.
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LaCroix wrote:But it will unbind if the cell is dead and decomposes.
Not if the cell decomposes, no. The protein itself would need to denature before you'd even have a chance of getting the ion off of cysteine's thiol group. The ion binding isn't reliant on the protein being inside the cell.
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