Creation Movement Growing

[THE AMBASSADOR]

I found this on the website:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationism/index.shtml

"The creationist movement is very powerful in America because it's so well funded. That funding, plus a weak education system and a gullible public, has led to a very successful misinformation campaign for the oxymoronically named "Creation Science" lobby."


And the writer is quite correct; the Creationist Movement is very powerful in America. However, I would like to point out several flaws in his reasoning as to why.

1. He says the Creationist Movement is well funded.

--The truth is that it's so poorly funded its message is rarely heard outside religious circles. It relies almost 100% on unsolicited donations from non-profit churches and their members.

2. He claims that the education system is weak.

--How can this be when the dominant and only free education system in most countries, including America, is public and ONLY teaches the Theory of Evolution? Creationism is almost never touched on, and when it is it's only to mention it as a cultist way of thinking.

3. He says the public is gullible.

--If that were so then the public at large would believe in evolution and not be giving the “unscientific” teachings of Creationism any heed.

4. He says it's led to a very successful misinformation campaign for the oxymoronically named "Creation Science" lobby.

--Why must it be misinformation that causes the increase in the belief of something he disagrees with? Maybe the truth just simply is that most rational people can see that evolution is unlogical and can see right through its flawed "science".


--Apparently the writer of this statement cannot accept the facts that logical rational thinking uncovers evolution as being false and 100% unscientific. And that maybe Creationism is growing because people are thinking for themselves when confronted with the facts and evidence.

[HemlockGrey]

There will never be a resolution in the evolution vs creationism debate because neither side can conclusively prove that they are right. The creationists can't prove that they're right becuase they're not, and the evolutionists can't prove that they're right because the creationists are too damn stupid to listen.

[Exonerate]

Creationism is growing simply because people are ignorant of the real facts, and have been brain-washed since birth.

[Wicked Pilot]

--The truth is that it's so poorly funded its message is rarely heard outside religious circles. It relies almost 100% on unsolicited donations from non-profit churches and their members.

Do you have any clue how much money stupid fundies have?

--How can this be when the dominant and only free education system in most countries, including America, is public and ONLY teaches the Theory of Evolution? Creationism is almost never touched on, and when it is it's only to mention it as a cultist way of thinking.

There still are places where creationistm is taught, especially in fundie land and private schools. More importantly, evolution is either not taught, or barely covered. Most importantly, science standards in public schools are down right inadequate. Science ignorance leads people open to bullshit like UFOs, faith healing, big foot, and creationist.

--If that were so then the public at large would believe in evolution and not be giving the ?unscientific? teachings of Creationism any heed.

You have to be gulliable and stupid to believe in such nonsense as creationism. To put the validity of ancient myths over modern science is downright stupid.

--Why must it be misinformation that causes the increase in the belief of something he disagrees with?

Because creationism is based off lies, ignorance, and distorted interpetations of evolution and science in general.

Maybe the truth just simply is that most rational people can see that evolution is unlogical and can see right through its flawed "science".

Right, and exactly what percentage of real scientist believe in creationism? How about a wopping 2%

--Apparently the writer of this statement cannot accept the facts that logical rational thinking uncovers evolution as being false and 100% unscientific. And that maybe Creationism is growing because people are thinking for themselves when confronted with the facts and evidence.

You are obviousily a fucking idiot. Don't you have some fundie board in which you can spout your bullshit?

[Strafe]

I found this on the website:

1. He says the Creationist Movement is well funded.

--The truth is that it's so poorly funded its message is rarely heard outside religious circles. It relies almost 100% on unsolicited donations from non-profit churches and their members.

Hence the well-funded aspect of it. You'd be amazed as to how much money can be raised by a determined mindset...

2. He claims that the education system is weak.

--How can this be when the dominant and only free education system in most countries, including America, is public and ONLY teaches the Theory of Evolution? Creationism is almost never touched on, and when it is it's only to mention it as a cultist way of thinking.

That's the thing tho, it doesn't "only teach ToE". In a few states there are disclaimers or even removals of evolution, Kansas being the big example, tho they fortunately later removed that whole thing.

3. He says the public is gullible.

--If that were so then the public at large would believe in evolution and not be giving the “unscientific” teachings of Creationism any heed.

Considering the size of the population with fundie leanings, i'd say the public in general is gullible...

Maybe the truth just simply is that most rational people can see that evolution is unlogical and can see right through its flawed "science".

*Bullshit alarms go off at a fever pitch*

Flawed science? Care to explain that or are you going to make baseless claims while not offering anything to back it up?

--Apparently the writer of this statement cannot accept the facts that logical rational thinking uncovers evolution as being false and 100% unscientific. And that maybe Creationism is growing because people are thinking for themselves when confronted with the facts and evidence.

LOL

Creationism is growing because too many people are dumbasses with little or no scientific knowledge to realize the utter bullshit of YEC.

And of course you provide no example of evolution's flaws. How surprising.

Idiot.

[HemlockGrey]

Grarg! EVIL FUNDIE!! ALLAH WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN, INFIDEL AND BLASPHEMER!

[THE AMBASSADOR]

Creationism is growing simply because people are ignorant of the real facts, and have been brain-washed since birth.

Brainwashed by what? All they've gotten in the public school system from the day they began their education is evolution. Creationism is not taught in the public school system so how are they exposed to it enough be brainwashed by it?

The truth as to why Creationism is growing is because when faced with the evidences given in support of evolution people with any level of intelligence and rational frame of mind can clearly see that the pieces do not fit together in logical support. Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

[HemlockGrey]

The truth as to why Creationism is growing is because when faced with the evidences given in support of evolution people with any level of intelligence and rational frame of mind can clearly see that the pieces do not fit together in logical support. Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

Back this up or perish, infidel!

[Strafe]

The truth as to why Creationism is growing is because when faced with the evidences given in support of evolution people with any level of intelligence and rational frame of mind can clearly see that the pieces do not fit together in logical support. Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

My goodness, the same old arguments...

Evolution isn't a religion for crying out loud!

And again I ask, show me what is wrong with evolution then?

Oh you don't have anything do you?

And I swear if you use the thermodynamic "refutation" then you should be banned...

[Luke Starkiller]

Creationism is growing simply because people are ignorant of the real facts, and have been brain-washed since birth.

Brainwashed by what? All they've gotten in the public school system from the day they began their education is evolution. Creationism is not taught in the public school system so how are they exposed to it enough be brainwashed by it?

The truth as to why Creationism is growing is because when faced with the evidences given in support of evolution people with any level of intelligence and rational frame of mind can clearly see that the pieces do not fit together in logical support. Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

GAH!

Would you care to support your supposition that 'Evolution is not a science. It is just as much of a religion as Creationism is.'?

Or were you just planning on making unsubstantiated (not to mention stupid) claims?

[neoolong]

Creationism is growing simply because people are ignorant of the real facts, and have been brain-washed since birth.

Brainwashed by what? All they've gotten in the public school system from the day they began their education is evolution. Creationism is not taught in the public school system so how are they exposed to it enough be brainwashed by it?

Home, parents, church. Do you think school is the only influence on a person?

The truth as to why Creationism is growing is because when faced with the evidences given in support of evolution people with any level of intelligence and rational frame of mind can clearly see that the pieces do not fit together in logical support.

Only if you're a dumbass. So what are the flaws then, eh?

Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

Only, if you're a fucking moron. It completely follows the definition of science.

And by making that claim you merely show how much a fucking moron you actually are.

[Arrow]

Creationism is growing simply because people are ignorant of the real facts, and have been brain-washed since birth.

Brainwashed by what? All they've gotten in the public school system from the day they began their education is evolution. Creationism is not taught in the public school system so how are they exposed to it enough be brainwashed by it?

The truth as to why Creationism is growing is because when faced with the evidences given in support of evolution people with any level of intelligence and rational frame of mind can clearly see that the pieces do not fit together in logical support. Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

Can you say big phrases like "fossil record" and "bacteria adjusting to medication"? Sorry pal, Evolution is a science. I suggest you actually pick up a real book on the subject.

The reason most people, according to you, don't believe in evolution is because of the bullshit they were raised with in Sunday school and the determined to pass their ignorance onto the next generation.

[HemlockGrey]

Evolution is not a religion, it is independent of religion except in the cases where religion actively attempts to subvert it.

Of course, this is made difficult by the fact that evolution actually happened, but there's no stopping some people...

[Frank Hipper]

Maybe the truth just simply is that most rational people can see that evolution is unlogical and can see right through its flawed "science".

You WILL back this up.

[Wicked Pilot]

Brainwashed by what? All they've gotten in the public school system from the day they began their education is evolution.

Before they ever set foot in a school they spend all their lives in Sunday school being brainwased by the creationist. They don't get exposed to evolution until middle school at the earliest. Even then it is usually a half assed covered topic.

The truth as to why Creationism is growing is because when faced with the evidences given in support of evolution people with any level of intelligence and rational frame of mind can clearly see that the pieces do not fit together in logical support.

Yes, a WOPPING 2% OF SCIENTIST SUPPORT CREATIONISM!

Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

That's the funniest goddamn thing I've heard in the last month. You must be a fucking comedian!

[Joe]

I sense a future Village Idiot, or Fundamentalist Moron.

Prove your statements. I don't often engage creationists and could use some practice.

[Mr Bean]

*I smell Bullshit

Brainwashed by what? All they've gotten in the public school system from the day they began their education is evolution. Creationism is not taught in the public school system so how are they exposed to it enough be brainwashed by it?

See there is little thing called "Church" and this little place over by the side of it where kids are given lessons in a place called "Sunday School" Nevermind the avarage lesson is basicly heavly edited bullshit from the Bible(IE:What a Great Guy David was(Though he went on to kills thousands of innocents), How Jesus loved everyone(Except the Canninites, they where dogs and David was a great guy according to him)


Public school is not the only infulence out there on Kids and Evolution is not even covered until High School in most places, Late Middle School in others, Meanwhile From age 5 on they start pounding you with the Creatonist Bullshit in Sunday School

The truth as to why Creationism is growing is because when faced with the evidences given in support of evolution people with any level of intelligence and rational frame of mind can clearly see that the pieces do not fit together in logical support.

But can you NAME these problems? Oops no you can't, Funny you keep saying that but when asked for Specifics you dodge the question like a Niteroska ballerina!

Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

Bullshit, Science Requires Observations,Evidance and facutal Support to make Theorys and forcasts, By contiunly revising these Theorys we achive what Science intends, The best possible answear for a observed pheomon

That is not Religion, Religion is based on Faith, Faith is based on belief without proof, which as you notice no one runs their Justice system or Country on

Creatonism is a loose mis-mash of attacks on Science and Evolutionary evidance while never itself attempting to prove its correctness

[Wicked Pilot]

I sense a future Village Idiot, or Fundamentalist Moron.

Prove your statements. I don't often engage creationists and could use some practice.

I think he's just a troll, and is simply trying to get flamed for shits and giggles. If he had any substance to his arguement, he'd have used it by now.

[Joe]

Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

To call evolution a religion is to broaden the term so extensively that it loses all meaning. Religion deals with supernatural phenomena, evolution deals EXCLUSIVELY with natural phenomena.

[Mr Bean]

The Nomination has already been put through though

[Frank Hipper]

Smelled of troll with his first post.

[Ren]

The truth as to why Creationism is growing is because when faced with the evidences given in support of evolution people with any level of intelligence and rational frame of mind can clearly see that the pieces do not fit together in logical support. Evolution is not a science. It just as much of a religion as Creationism is.

You say this but don't offer any evidence to back it up. How do the pieces not fit together? Nobody ever gives good arguments on how evolution theory does not work. Either supply evidence or shut up.

[Joe]

I have a feeling he's taking time to type up an endless string of pro-creationist arguments we've heard before.

[neoolong]

I have a feeling he's taking time to type up an endless string of pro-creationist arguments we've heard before.

I bet ironically they will be near word for word arguments that Wong has refuted on his site.

[Wicked Pilot]

I have a feeling he's taking time to type up an endless string of pro-creationist arguments we've heard before.

I suspect a long cut and paste job off answersfromgenesis.com