Adam & Eve

[Strider119]

According to the Bible, we all came from the 2 original humans ... A&E. Right?


Well dosent that mean that we are all inbred then?

If we met A&E in heaven would they be tottaly smarter than us? Since they would be the only 2 people up there without some sort of genetic defect in some grade or another, would they have higher cognitive and rationalizing skills? Maybe they have access to more of thier brain, since we don't use our minds to thier full capacity.

Perhaps the reason we don't utilize our brains to the fullest is because we are all inbred hicks



Same goes for Moses and the ark. I mean he took 2 of every animal on ther planet and put it in a boat? and then the entire world population of say, oh i dunno, RACOONS, is directly descended from the 2 racoons on Noahs boat?



That's some crazy shit right there.



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Strider119

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Said this myself to Fundamentalists sooo many times. Their reaction is always "Huh? What?".

[jegs2]

Same goes for Moses and the ark. I mean he took 2 of every animal on ther planet and put it in a boat? and then the entire world population of say, oh i dunno, RACOONS, is directly descended from the 2 racoons on Noahs boat?

Moses and the ark?

[neoolong]

Same goes for Moses and the ark. I mean he took 2 of every animal on ther planet and put it in a boat? and then the entire world population of say, oh i dunno, RACOONS, is directly descended from the 2 racoons on Noahs boat?

Moses and the ark?

Noah and the ark.

[TheFeniX]

One Christian told me that Adam and Eve were the first Humans with souls, but there with other humans running around at the time.

Does that mean we all have half a soul?

[Tsyroc]

One Christian told me that Adam and Eve were the first Humans with souls, but there with other humans running around at the time.

Does that mean we all have half a soul?

That's a better explaination and makes more sense than some of the stuff I've heard, but then it sort of contradicts some of the dogma about the creation.

One of the things I heard as to why it was okay for Adam & Eve's kids to interbreed is because human genes were much more pure then and hadn't developed any abnomralities yet because they had not lived on the Earth very long yet. This was also the explaination why so many people in the older parts of the Bible lived much longer than people do today.






Adam & Eve

[Hethrir]

That's a better explaination and makes more sense than some of the stuff I've heard, but then it sort of contradicts some of the dogma about the creation.

One of the things I heard as to why it was okay for Adam & Eve's kids to interbreed is because human genes were much more pure then and hadn't developed any abnomralities yet because they had not lived on the Earth very long yet. This was also the explaination why so many people in the older parts of the Bible lived much longer than people do today.

Adam & Eve

That's what i've always believed. You will notice in line with that theory, that God doesn't outlaw incest until later also.

[Strider119]

Same goes for Moses and the ark. I mean he took 2 of every animal on ther planet and put it in a boat? and then the entire world population of say, oh i dunno, RACOONS, is directly descended from the 2 racoons on Noahs boat?

Moses and the ark?

Noah and the ark.

it was my lame little subtle attempt at humor. poprously getting it wrong as a joke



sorry, i suck





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Strider119

[InnerBrat]

One of the things I heard as to why it was okay for Adam & Eve's kids to interbreed is because human genes were much more pure then and hadn't developed any abnomralities yet because they had not lived on the Earth very long yet. This was also the explaination why so many people in the older parts of the Bible lived much longer than people do today.

And is, of course bullshit., and which contradicts the Creationist favourite 'all mutations are harmful' line, as it means that all locii at which there is more than four possible alleles represents some sort of genetic deterioration.

[Crayz9000]

The inbreeding question is something that's grated on my nerves for a long time. It's quite a convincing argument against taking the Bible literally all the time (although there are parts which correspond to actual history).

[SyntaxVorlon]

I once told a creationist A&E would preclude we were all inbred, and he said:
"So?" and shrugged.

[neoolong]

If the Bible is literal, and Adam and Eve were the first and only humans until they had kids, then where did Cain's wife come from?

[Embracer Of Darkness]

If the Bible is literal, and Adam and Eve were the first and only humans until they had kids, then where did Cain's wife come from?

Again, I've put this to a Fundamentalist before... Answer: "Eve." They also saw no problem with this.

[Crayz9000]

If the Bible is literal, and Adam and Eve were the first and only humans until they had kids, then where did Cain's wife come from?

The gnostic answer would be that Cain's wife came from Lilith. Or something like that.

At least it makes more sense (with respect to biology) than the idea that his wife was his full sister.

[Durandal]

One of the things I heard as to why it was okay for Adam & Eve's kids to interbreed is because human genes were much more pure then and hadn't developed any abnomralities yet because they had not lived on the Earth very long yet. This was also the explaination why so many people in the older parts of the Bible lived much longer than people do today.

"Genetic purity" will do nothing to help ordinary humans live upward of 600 years, like Noah was purported to. The whole idea is inane.

[Crayz9000]

One explanation I've seen for Noah's age was that the Earth had a faster orbit and/or rotation before the flood, thus throwing off the years estimate.

Of course, that royally screws up all other time estimates based on the Bible, but most fundies don't realize that they're shooting themselves in the feet when they use that argument.

[Korvan]

I would argue that inbreeding was a crucial factor in the development of humans. Inbreeding would allow the genes that seperate humans from near-humans to gain a foothold. Then, once they are established, they can spread out, diminishing any negative effects from inbreeding.

Doesn't all of our mitochondrial DNA (RNA?) point back to a common female ancestor for all of us? It just isn't the bibical Eve.

[Durandal]

One explanation I've seen for Noah's age was that the Earth had a faster orbit and/or rotation before the flood, thus throwing off the years estimate.

That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Even if we assume that Noah was only actually 100 years old, that's still a faster rotation around the sun by a factor of six. Earth rotates around the sun at about 30 km/s. This explanation would have us believe that at Noah's time, Earth was going at 180 km/s and has now slowed down to its current rate, which is an acceleration of -25 m/s/yr, or -0.06 m/s/dy, assuming the Earth is a scant 6 000 years old. What in Hell is producing 4E23 N of force consistently pushing against the Earth? That's the approximate equivalent of the fucking Moon slamming against the Earth with 1 g of acceleration!

[Howedar]

Niven wrote an interesting short based on this premise, entitled "What Can You Say About Chocolate-Covered Manhole Covers?"

[Traceroute]

Well, if everything was truly created in one fell swoop, Mr. Wong brings up a good point on the site ... Why didn't Adam & Eve immediately collapse & die from all the diseases and parasites they must have been carrying? I don't care how "pure" your DNA is, having more than one of any of the virulent plagues in history at the same time would pretty much kill you.

Oh, and don't leave out the hemorrhagic fevers. A&E would be dead within 2 weeks (at most) from Ebola, if nothing else killed them faster.

[Tsyroc]

The gnostic answer would be that Cain's wife came from Lilith. Or something like that.

At least it makes more sense (with respect to biology) than the idea that his wife was his full sister.

Cool. That means Cain's wife was at least part demon since Lilith supposedly hooked up with a demon after kicking Adam to the curb. Of course they might have just called the guy a demon because Lilith let slip to Eve that he was a "demon in the sack and much better than Adam".

[InnerBrat]

I thought Cain's wife was Lilith?

[Rye]

I thought Cain's wife was Lilith?

I thought lilith was adam's first wife whom he left and she became the first force of evil or something?

She was his first wife anyway, before she got edited out.

[Tsyroc]

I thought Cain's wife was Lilith?

Is that what happens in Vampire: The Masquerade?

I've been looking through some of the sources and it's pretty confusing. In one source Lilith is married to a demon named Asmodeus but in that passage I think she's also considered a demon already. Basically, Lilith in some form or another has been around a really long time so she's really hard to nail down.


One thing of note that I found. According to a excerpt from the Talmud Adam is the father of many ghouls and evil spirits. Apparently after getting kicked out of the Garden of Eden Adam sat around and meditated for 130 years. He was separated from Eve this whole time so supposedly the ghouls and evil spirits are the result of Adam's wet dreams.

Nice Reference Site on Lilith

[Crayz9000]

The whole problem with Lilith is that it's formed from scattered bits and pieces. The story actually seems to have been tacked together after the fact... but it's an interesting addition at any rate, providing that you regard it as nothing more than folklore.

That's what I've started to regard the early parts of the Old Testament as, anyway. While Judges etc may indeed describe (to a certain amount of accuracy, or inaccuracy) historical events, Genesis seems mostly composed of tribal legends and customs applied to characters.