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The Satanic Temple beating fundies at their own game

Post by SolarpunkFan » 2020-08-07 09:47pm

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Several years ago, The Satanic Temple argued in court that one of their members in Missouri didn’t need to abide by the state’s 72-hour waiting period for abortions because it violated her belief that “one’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.” (That lawsuit was ultimately unsuccessful in part because she was no longer pregnant when the judge issued a ruling.)

They tried a similar tactic in 2019, this time with an anonymous plaintiff whose own pregnancy timeline wouldn’t be an issue, but that didn’t work either. The courts said that whatever obstacles there were to obtaining an abortion in Missouri, women could still theoretically get them and this plaintiff wasn’t singled out because she was a Satanist. So a lawsuit based on religious discrimination was a no-go.

That’s why, today, The Satanic Temple is laying the groundwork for future battles over abortion. They’re announcing that all first trimester abortions must be “exempt from state regulations that hinder access” to the procedure because such hurdles violate two of their Seven Fundamental Tenets regarding bodily autonomy and adherence to best scientific practices.

They’re basically using the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court decision — which an evangelical business owner used to prevent insurance providers from covering his employees’ birth control — to defend a woman’s right to choose.

How does that work? The Satanists say the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) prohibits the government from interfering with someone’s religious practices (unless there’s a really good reason for it). Most states have their own versions of this law as well. By saying abortions in the first trimester are a religious ritual for their members, any states that have their own RFRA laws — and most anti-abortion states have them — would theoretically have to show why their (medically unnecessary) restrictions should override the Satanists’ religious freedom.
TST’s reproductive rights spokesperson, Jane Essex, notes, “Many states have laws that interfere with our members’ ability to practice their religious beliefs. No Christian would accept a mandatory waiting period before they can partake in Communion. No Christian would tolerate a law that insists state counseling is necessary before someone can be baptized. Our members are justly entitled to religious liberty in order to practice our rituals as well.”
Today’s announcement isn’t just a press release, either. The Satanic Temple is fully laying out what its abortion rituals look like. Here, for example, is what members would have to do before surgical abortions:
Prior to receiving any anesthetic or sedation, look at your reflection to be reminded of your personhood and your responsibility to yourself. Focus on your intent. Take deep breaths, and make yourself comfortable. When you are ready, say the Third Tenet and Fifth Tenet aloud. You may now undergo the surgery. After the surgery is completed and any anesthetic has worn off, return to your reflection and recite your personal affirmation. Feel doubts dissipating and your confidence growing as you have just undertaken a decision that affirms your autonomy and free will. The religious abortion ritual is now complete.
The Satanists also offer members a template letter they can give officials if they want to take advantage of the religious exemption. This part is just… *chef’s kiss*:
Because the abortive act is inextricably linked to the religious rite, a burden on the act is a burden on the rite. State law implements some or all of the following generally-applicable burdens on the abortive act, each of which substantially interfere with my religious beliefs and practices:

* Mandatory waiting periods.
* Requirements that practitioners withhold certain medical information. Compulsory counseling prior to an abortion.
* Required reading materials.
* Medically unnecessary sonograms.
* Mandatory listening to the fetal heartbeat.
* Burial or cremation of fetal remains.

Based on the foregoing, I demand a religious exemption to these generally- applicable restrictions.
I asked Caroline Mala Corbin, a Professor of Law at the University of Miami who has written extensively on church/state separation, what she thought about this strategy. She told me it should work in theory since RFRA laws are meant to protect all religions and not just the popular ones. But she added that there may be two problems.

1) A patient would have to establish that the abortion ritual is a sincere religious practice and a court may reject that claim.
After all, the member of the Satanic Temple is arguing that an abortion is akin to a sacrament. A hostile court may also conclude that beliefs about autonomy and science, while sincere, are secular rather than religious. Though it would be wading into murky territory by declaring that sincere beliefs are not religious, as courts are generally wary of drawing a line between religious beliefs and nonreligious beliefs.
2) A patient would have to show that the abortion restrictions substantially burden her religious practice.
While after Hobby Lobby courts are supposed to be deferential to religious objectors claims of substantial burden, I can imagine that courts may argue otherwise: e.g. waiting a day or two does not prevent the abortion.

At the same time, if a court is willing to accept an abortion as a religious ritual akin to communion, then requiring people to wait several days before they are allowed to receive it should amount to a substantial burden. Of course, the Satanic Temple was careful to make clear that the abortion ritual was more than the abortion itself, strengthening its claim that the state’s regulations interfered with the whole ritual.
So what happens now? We wait for a challenge. If a Satanist seeks an abortion and is prevented from doing so in any meaningful way, The Satanic Temple could file a lawsuit saying the state is violating their member’s religious freedom.

Then we wait for the fireworks.
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Re: The Satanic Temple beating fundies at their own game

Post by Solauren » 2020-08-07 10:36pm

And that is called long-term planning, ladies and gentlemen.
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Re: The Satanic Temple beating fundies at their own game

Post by SolarpunkFan » 2020-08-13 01:03pm

Solauren wrote:
2020-08-07 10:36pm
And that is called long-term planning, ladies and gentlemen.
It's kind of funny. So many fundies harp on about how the Rapture could happen "ANY SECOND NOW!!! ZOMG!!1", yet they do as much as they can to gain long-term worldly power.

I guess they split the difference by power-grabbing without planning! :P
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Re: The Satanic Temple beating fundies at their own game

Post by Solauren » 2020-08-13 05:41pm

SolarpunkFan wrote:
2020-08-13 01:03pm
Solauren wrote:
2020-08-07 10:36pm
And that is called long-term planning, ladies and gentlemen.
It's kind of funny. So many fundies harp on about how the Rapture could happen "ANY SECOND NOW!!! ZOMG!!1", yet they do as much as they can to gain long-term worldly power.

I guess they split the difference by power-grabbing without planning! :P

They believe by grapping power, they can stir the world on the 'proper course to avoid the Rapture'.
Ironically, there stirring probably moves us closer.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2020-08-14 03:53am

Doesn't the Satanic Temple have a history of this ?

Sometimes by trying to place this Statue of Baphomet alongside any ten commandments monument. Thus showing that the local government isn't committed to treating religions equally.

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Re: The Satanic Temple beating fundies at their own game

Post by SolarpunkFan » 2020-08-16 07:59pm

Solauren wrote:
2020-08-13 05:41pm
They believe by grapping power, they can stir the world on the 'proper course to avoid the Rapture'.
Ironically, there stirring probably moves us closer.
But doesn't that in turn imply a lack of faith?

Fundie: "I worship God, who is omnipotent and all knowing. But at the same time I MUST bring the world closer to the end because God isn't doing it!"

*Fundie ends up in Big Lake Of Fire when they die.*

That's what you get for questioning the G-man! :twisted:
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Re: The Satanic Temple beating fundies at their own game

Post by Ralin » 2020-08-16 09:56pm

SolarpunkFan wrote:
2020-08-16 07:59pm
But doesn't that in turn imply a lack of faith?

Fundie: "I worship God, who is omnipotent and all knowing. But at the same time I MUST bring the world closer to the end because God isn't doing it!"

*Fundie ends up in Big Lake Of Fire when they die.*

That's what you get for questioning the G-man! :twisted:
You could apply that reasoning to pretty much anything. Most Christians don't seem to subscribe to the "God's taking care of it so we should just lay back and watch the fireworks" view of life. Otherwise they'd be waiting for magic bread to fall out of the sky for them.

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Re: The Satanic Temple beating fundies at their own game

Post by madd0ct0r » 2020-08-17 12:33pm

Ralin wrote:
2020-08-16 09:56pm
SolarpunkFan wrote:
2020-08-16 07:59pm
But doesn't that in turn imply a lack of faith?

Fundie: "I worship God, who is omnipotent and all knowing. But at the same time I MUST bring the world closer to the end because God isn't doing it!"

*Fundie ends up in Big Lake Of Fire when they die.*

That's what you get for questioning the G-man! :twisted:
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A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe.

"Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast."

"No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me."

Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat.

"Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute."

Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through."

After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone.

"Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance."

Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him.

And, predictably, he drowns.

A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?"

God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."

You could apply that reasoning to pretty much anything. Most Christians don't seem to subscribe to the "God's taking care of it so we should just lay back and watch the fireworks" view of life. Otherwise they'd be waiting for magic bread to fall out of the sky for them.
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