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 Post subject: Mythbusting (Isral & palestine) PostPosted: 2009-08-29 12:38pm
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Some total loon (some fundie whackjob) on a local finnish-swedish forum told me this whilst I was trolling him and his Israel is always 10000% right schtick that he keeps ruining the forum with, I'll translate:

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Israel har under 60 år dödat färre palestinier än Jordanien under några veckor i september 1970.
Israel har under 60 år dödat färre palestinier än vad Sri Lankas arme dödade TAMILER för några månader sedan.
Israel har under 60 år dödat färre palestinier än antalet kristna som dödas i Darfur varje vecka!

Israel has under 60 years killed less palestinians than Jordan did under a few weeks in september 1970.
Israel has under 60 years killed less palestinians than Sri Lankas army killed Tamils a few months ago.
Israel has under 60 years killed less palestinians than the number of christians killed in Darfur every week!


Needless to say I don't buy his numbers one bit, not that he really gave any, so I am looking up numbers just to toss in his crazy spittle stained face. I figured we got people here that might have run across this before, because like creationists these guys just get stuff to regurgitate from some central nutjob place.



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 Post subject: Re: Mythbusting (Isral & palestine) PostPosted: 2009-08-29 02:13pm
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I know you're debating him, but reading the above text, it strikes me as futile. You quoted three lines, and still, it was a fucking chant. I doubt he's going to even notice your rebuttals.

As for advice, countering him with facts is good, but his own seem highly dubious. Where is he getting them?



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 Post subject: Re: Mythbusting (Isral & palestine) PostPosted: 2009-08-29 02:40pm
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To be honest I've been trolling him mostly because he is shitting up the forum and I know the mods just want an excuse to get rid of him... But he seems to dumb to notice, he did claim later that 15-20k palestinians tops have been killed by Israel in the last 60 years and linked this site:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

I am not sure if this might be breaking the moratorium though.



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 Post subject: Re: Mythbusting (Isral & palestine) PostPosted: 2009-08-29 03:07pm
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Upon a cursory glance, at least, the IfAmericansKnew site is not uncritical toward Israel by any means. So I suppose that's something. As to its factual accuracy, I'm not qualified to comment. The site does note the massive media distortion in favor of the US; again, I'd offhandedly say that's a mark in its favor.

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I am not sure if this might be breaking the moratorium though.


Though I'd naturally defer to the moderators, you're not exactly inciting a debate here; I'd argue it's peripheral enough to avoid giving people an excuse to go to war on this forum, or to engage in a debate without possibility of consensus, which is the whole reason for the I/P moratorium (or so I understand).



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 Post subject: Re: Mythbusting (Isral & palestine) PostPosted: 2009-08-29 10:01pm
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Wow, my brain hurts now.

For the numbers, while they do sound like bullshit, its completely irrelevant. Not that he is anywhere near right, but even if he was, that weird chant-like argument of his is a red herring. The atrocities committed by or in other nations has jack all to do with atrocities in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.



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 Post subject: Re: Mythbusting (Isral & palestine) PostPosted: 2009-08-30 02:55am
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Yeah that was the avenue I went with last night as well.



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 Post subject: Re: Mythbusting (Isral & palestine) PostPosted: 2009-08-30 04:19am
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I can't believe you did not see the obvious reply.

Palestine has under 60 years killed less Jews than Germans did in few weeks in September 1943
Palestine has under 60 years killed less Jews than Germans did in few months in September 1942
Palestine has under 60 years killed less Jews than the number of Jews killed in Belzec every week! (..in 1944)

The 1,358 a week in the Belzec concentration camp FYI in that year.
Ask him why on Xenu's fertile province does it matter who's killing how many of who if one side is killing them to begin with? Unless your talking about Nazi's, you can always find a worse situation in the past(typically Nazi's)




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 Post subject: Re: Mythbusting (Isral & palestine) PostPosted: 2009-08-30 04:29am
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Actually since I was half trolling him I did invoke ze germans last night, but not in that fashion.



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