On the most recent pages of the debate Chaigidel (who is against atheism) and Ragabash (for atheism) have been going back and forth. Chaigidel made the claim that for every piece of scientific evidence Ragabash provided for atheism he would provide two more for the existence of God. As the discussion continued Ragabash did not answer the challenge, but then, something smells fishy about the challenge. I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
So, after getting sick of watching Chaigidel taunt Ragabash for not providing evidence I decided to step in and request Chaigidel to provide his evidence to move the discussion along. Maybe this is a mistake because the members over there tend to be more dishonest than not but I went through with it anyway. Chaigidel responded with pretty much the same challenge he gave Ragabash, which I considered taking until I realized it was more of a dodge than anything else:
Of course, he hadn't said anything new and had ignored most of my post. So I replied with:Chaigidel wrote:@ razor I am more than happy to oblige as soon as you can provide some scientific proof that atheism is supported through scientific facts-- when you produce one I will produce two scientific facts which lend credence to my position--- we cant prove anything outright only add up the evidence on each side--- at some point soon so that you all have some decent ammunition when you argue; I will indeed provide both sides of this arguement, giving you evidence for and against god under scientific law--- it saddens me greatly that those who claim science is the basis of the world view they keep are so unable to summon those facts in any way other than the most dogmatic of faiths. so like our enemies we all become.
Yet I remain perplexed and unsure of myself. Was I right to challenge this fellow right back? Am I doing what is considered fair in a debate? I'll be honest, I'm unaware of scientific facts that support atheism, so I would be unable to answer Chaigidel's challenge. He likely knows this too, which is why I challenged him the way I did now that I think about it.RazorOutlaw wrote:My simple challenge to you was to provide evidence in support of God. Now I will ask you to do so without playing the "you show me yours and I'll show you mine" game. You claim you have evidence and it should not be hard to show this evidence to members of this discussion. Since your main target, Ragabash, isn't answering your challenges you could do him one better by posting your own evidence without waiting for him.
All I *do* know is that science has yet to find God so there's no reason to claim his existence is true. Any help would be greatly appreciated because he's a very unrelenting debater. And if you have evidence for your position you should be able to display it first and foremost, right?