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Illuminatus Primus wrote:So what is the deal with McCain releasing memos that Obama is struggling for 270 EVs and that they're actually close in PA? Are they just lying and hoping PR and give the hope and delusion will keep the GOP vote out and give them every prayer they need?

Kane Starkiller wrote:/.../closet Republicans (don't want to say they'll vote for McCain to escape any debate about their choice but simply go with their gut feeling)/.../

Pulp Hero wrote:I'm going to call this right now: After Obama wins, the GOP will bitch about voter fraud and demand recounts/"Oversight" on votes. They will bring up ACORN or two or three fraudulant individuals as proof of biased system against them.

erik_t wrote:And of course, you have nothing but your own "gut feeling" to back up such nonsense.

SirNitram wrote:And then the real fun begins as the search for anything to impeach him on starts...

SirNitram wrote:

Pulp Hero wrote:I'm going to call this right now: After Obama wins, the GOP will bitch about voter fraud and demand recounts/"Oversight" on votes. They will bring up ACORN or two or three fraudulant individuals as proof of biased system against them.

Of course. That's the point of all this. Even the birth-certificate thing(Which recently acheived such a fevered pitch the Hawai'i State Health Department stepped in and said 'YES. GO AWAY. YOU ARE NOT A FAMILY MEMBER, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT!' Link). The entire point down to the lawsuit in Ohio to throw him off for 'lack of a proven birth certificate'(Link) served one purpose: To de-legitimize any Obama victory. Doesn't matter if he walks away with 400+ EV's. Doesn't matter if he takes 75% of the popular. The Right Wing will have their ready-made greivances to claim he's not really a real president. And then the real fun begins as the search for anything to impeach him on starts...

Kane Starkiller wrote:I wonder what is the percentage of people who simply refuse to answer the question in the polls and who are they most likely to vote. I have a sneaking suspicion that McCain will ultimately win the elections when all the closet racists and closet Republicans (don't want to say they'll vote for McCain to escape any debate about their choice but simply go with their gut feeling) cast their vote for him.

Adrian Laguna wrote:

SirNitram wrote:And then the real fun begins as the search for anything to impeach him on starts...

Don't they need a Republican House for that to stand any chance of it happening?

Tribun wrote:

Adrian Laguna wrote:

SirNitram wrote:And then the real fun begins as the search for anything to impeach him on starts...

Don't they need a Republican House for that to stand any chance of it happening?

Do you honestly think that this little detail will stop them from trying anyway? Even if the don't make any progress, they can poison the well.

Tribun wrote:Do you honestly think that this little detail will stop them from trying anyway? Even if the don't make any progress, they can poison the well.

I really wish people who don't know anything about how US politics works would refrain from commenting on US politics. How are they going to "poison the well" when they're down 70 seats and Pelosi can gavel them down any time she wants? Yeah, they'll be flinging poo on Republican talk radio, but who gives a shit? If Republican talk radio was as powerful as people seem to think it is, Obama wouldn't be up eight points.

RedImperator wrote:Which is why a big Obama win is important. Because if Obama wins in a landslide and brings a filibuster-proof majority in on his coattails, the Republican party is more than welcome to hunker down in its pig pen and blame whoever they like for their loss--they'll just lose again in 2010 and 2012. The only way they'll gain any traction with that nonsense is if it's a close enough election that fraud is a plausible excuse.

As for impeachment, they won't be impeaching shit in Obama's first term, because there's no fucking way they'll be able to gain seventy seats in the House in 2010. They can fling all the poop they want, but in the House of Representatives, the Speaker can squash the minority like bugs. Even if by some miracle they got a majority in the Senate, they'll never get control of the House. Obama would have to suck the brains of a live baby through a silly straw, on national television, to get impeached in his first term.

Tribun wrote:

I really wish people who don't know anything about how US politics works would refrain from commenting on US politics. How are they going to "poison the well" when they're down 70 seats and Pelosi can gavel them down any time she wants? Yeah, they'll be flinging poo on Republican talk radio, but who gives a shit? If Republican talk radio was as powerful as people seem to think it is, Obama wouldn't be up eight points.

I meant with it, that they will do everything to trash Obama's reputation, regardless how ridiculous the accusion is. Of course I know that they have no REAL leverage against him.

Kane Starkiller wrote:I wonder what is the percentage of people who simply refuse to answer the question in the polls and who are they most likely to vote. I have a sneaking suspicion that McCain will ultimately win the elections when all the closet racists and closet Republicans (don't want to say they'll vote for McCain to escape any debate about their choice but simply go with their gut feeling) cast their vote for him.

Knife wrote:Just want to add anecdotally; here in Utah it is pretty well expected to go McCain and truly I'd be floored if it doesn't, my vote aside, a couple local guys have pointed out the absolute ferocious tendency of Obama supporters to fight like hell and display signs. You hardly see McCain/Palin signs, probably due to hard feelings over Romney, but it's pretty common to see Obama signs. Utah is a pretty white state, probably one of the whitest, and Obama signs are all over the fucking place.

I'm not a sign person, but I'll be casting my vote for the guy come Tuesday.

All the hoopla and silliness over the last week is simply sideshow for the uninformed. Anybody with a brain knows that Obama has run away with the thing. So, why all the sound and fury? The GOP thinks they can limit losses in the House and Senate by getting their base out in key areas. In Pennsylvania, specifically, they think perhaps Murtha is now vulnerable, and certainly Paul Kanjorski. That's why all the Pennsylvania business. It has nothing to do with McCain winning the state, which is an absurdity at this point. It has everything to do with getting a fired up base out to try to save or pick up GOP seats in the House. The same is true everywhere. They are simply too close to the edge of stunning, Party-crippling minority status to demoralize their base now.

Obama has led this race by convincing numbers since fucking JULY. The only blip on the screen was a rather extended convention bump for the GOP, based largely on Palin. Once it became clear that Palin was as retrograde as the other GOPers, the race assumed its familiar contours once again. Obama is over 50% in nearly all polls, and is contesting unheard of states for a Democrat.

Some may be confused by McCain's rhetoric, which is pure red meat for the base. Nobody in modern history has won an election this way. Even Bush had to pretend to push toward the middle with some conviction. So this would seem like a great mystery...if you assume that Mccain is arguing for the presdiency. But he is not. They are attempting to save downticket, and have been the entire time. McCain can't win Pennsylvania, but the dumbfuck mayor of Hazelton CAN win Paul Kanjorsky's seat. That's what this is all about.

ON COMPLACENCY: The DU Worry Brigade will often bring up the problem of complacency in order to justify their constant wrong-headed posts. there is no complacency this year. The enthusiasm numbers are through the fucking roof for this election, and all on our side. Indeed, that is the VERY problem that the GOP is seeking to counter through their fake Presidential campaign. It's a fake campaign. It's a campaign for House districts masquerading as a Presidential campaign. There's no there there. So buck up. get out the vote, sure, but buck the fuck up.