I hope this is my last post to captain tiresome as he's pathologically incapable of admitting any sort of wrongness on his part. I suppose I should consider myself lucky I've not had huge blocks of yellow text or the
emoticon to wade through.
Patrick Degan wrote:
I don't give a flying fuck what drivel Phelps and his crowd believe in.
Highly interesting, given that they're pretty much correct by the OP. Probably the most correct christian fundie group.
We're talking about how the delusional little man who actually wrote Revelation conceived the world as, and that was a small place with barely the population of a major world power.
Actually no, I was talking about eschatology in general (in regards to the theological amendments in-thread, i.e. now there are no chosen people and everyone is hellbound), YOU equivocated that to Revelation you dishonest or ignorant dipshit.
BTW, it's that same "evolution" of religious thought which led the Catholic Church and the more mainstream Protestant sects to dismiss Revelation altogether as anything other than metaphor instead of a prediction about how our world will turn out.
You've already had it pointed out to you that Revelation has nothing to do with Judiasm. Further, Jesus word is not supporting Revelation.
Stop bringing up this red herring, you blathering retard.
He is not saying the world is coming to a violent end.
Yes he is. This was understood by his peers, the signs of God's coming kingdom included, among other things, the parts from Isaiah that I quoted above and multiple times Jesus says things to the effect of "cities that reject me will be destroyed worse than Sodom" and people will burn in Hell.
Also, the very fact that he's apparently talking about the generation contemporaneous to his own time shows that no thought of a world beyond what they know of in that time is entering into their thinking. Just what the fuck do you think the phrase "this generation" is referring to?
Yes, Jesus was referring to an imminent apocalypse. Yes, he believed it would destroy the whole world.
Us in the far future? Finally, I'm not responsible for how people in the present day interpret their little fairy-tale book's ending.
No, and you don't seem to understand your requirements as a participant in the thread to grasp at least some of that in regards to the OP either.
And for your information, the Catholic Church does hold that Revelation is an allegory to the Roman Empire of John of Patmos' time and not a reference to the modern world.
And rightly so.
Just what is there for our benefit in a shithole like Hell? What would make it worth the effort and expense? That would be the same thing as sending armies to conquer and occupy the North Pole. Pointless.
There appears to be significant benefit since half this thread is people saying we should invade Hell.
Not according to the Bible. Or the Ars Goetia. Moving the Goalposts will not save you in this thread.
Read the OP again. It's set in this world. This means that demons are undetectable but exist (assuming Stravo wants them to exist).
Translation: you have no argument.
Ars Goetia and similar demonic-dominance literature do not work in this world. Hence, assuming demons exist, it presumably isn't effective. It may be accurate in other ways, it may not.
Appeal to Ignorance Fallacy and a Burden of Proof Fallacy in the same package. How efficient of you.
I disagree. You made the positive claim that demons that would actually exist as per the partial truth of the mythology described in the OP, can be dominated by knowing their names, I just pointed out that that is by no means certain since we have evidence to the contrary in reality which is where the OP's whole scenario would go down.
No, you answered nothing whatsoever —particularly as the point had no bearing on the question of gaining technological prowess. That is YOUR red herring entirely. Again, you have no argument.
Your argument that a stable and relatively successful (immortal) society cannot exist without the ability to overthrow masters is unsubstantiated. There is nothing to refute. You simply made a claim and then nodded to yourself in agreement to the truth of it.
Another predictable non-answer coming from you. Why am I not surprised? I don't know where you're used to playing, but in these parts, "he just uses them" doesn't cut it as an answer to anything.
I didn't write the Bible, they made all sorts of self-contradictory errors and stupid decisions regarding depicting gods, I am just telling you what it says. You might as well ask why Jedi and Sith use fucking lightsabres, spears and giant styracosaurs when they ought to be firing at one another from space, then the answer would be "the author depicted it that way for silly stylistic reasons." Your answer would then be, "That's a non-answer! Clearly Jedi and Sith can't use spacecraft weapons anymore even though they did elsewhere! They must've "used up" all their space-borne weapon power earlier."
No, it would boil down to an analysis of the facts at hand and what humanity devises as a counter-response.