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RedImperator wrote:

Justforfun000 wrote:By the way RI, that's a GREAT site.

Now, McCain has made recent gains in swing states, too. Electoral-vote.com (the site I trust the most) shows McCain with exactly 270 EVs at the moment.

Glad you mentioned it. I've got it bookmarked now.

If you dig around, you can find the explanation of the algorithm he uses. It's a lot better than just watching the polls bounce around because it compensates for the statistical fluttering that's inevitable in polling. And I like his "barely Democrat/Republican" category better than Pollster.com's "toss-up" category.

Darth Wong wrote:Obama needs to hammer McCain on the fact that rich banker fatcats get bailed out by the government when they screw up, while McCain, Palin, and their party all vehemently oppose any such kind of protection for ordinary citizens. Like it or not, politics is heavily influenced by "us vs them" thinking, and Obama needs to remind voters that regardless of who they might think McCain or Palin are, we know who they are for.

That, of course, is a reference to one of my favourite lines from one of my favourite movies (Gladiator), where Senator Gracchus says "I may not be a man of the people, but I do try to be a man for the people."

Darth Wong wrote:Obama needs to hammer McCain on the fact that rich banker fatcats get bailed out by the government when they screw up, while McCain, Palin, and their party all vehemently oppose any such kind of protection for ordinary citizens. Like it or not, politics is heavily influenced by "us vs them" thinking, and Obama needs to remind voters that regardless of who they might think McCain or Palin are, we know who they are for.

That, of course, is a reference to one of my favourite lines from one of my favourite movies (Gladiator), where Senator Gracchus says "I may not be a man of the people, but I do try to be a man for the people."

Darth Wong wrote:It might have the opposite effect here in Canada. A McCain win could increase Canadian fear of American conservative influence over Canadian politics, thus weakening Harper's conservative agenda politically.

Mind you, Harper is a smart and devious son of a bitch, but he also knows which way the wind is blowing, and if Canadians are wary of conservative policies, he will back off on those policies.

Phantasee wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:It might have the opposite effect here in Canada. A McCain win could increase Canadian fear of American conservative influence over Canadian politics, thus weakening Harper's conservative agenda politically.

Mind you, Harper is a smart and devious son of a bitch, but he also knows which way the wind is blowing, and if Canadians are wary of conservative policies, he will back off on those policies.

A McCain government would only help a Conservative government, while a Democrat victory would help cut down his minority (definitely not enough to give the Liberals a majority, though, or even a minority - they've really fucked up with Stephane Dion as leader). Don't forget the influence of the western provinces. A lot of those red states lead straight up into the Prairies.

Darth Wong wrote:

Phantasee wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:It might have the opposite effect here in Canada. A McCain win could increase Canadian fear of American conservative influence over Canadian politics, thus weakening Harper's conservative agenda politically.

Mind you, Harper is a smart and devious son of a bitch, but he also knows which way the wind is blowing, and if Canadians are wary of conservative policies, he will back off on those policies.

A McCain government would only help a Conservative government, while a Democrat victory would help cut down his minority (definitely not enough to give the Liberals a majority, though, or even a minority - they've really fucked up with Stephane Dion as leader). Don't forget the influence of the western provinces. A lot of those red states lead straight up into the Prairies.

Not if the resulting McCain administration is a cluster-fuck, which it will probably be.

Admiral Valdemar wrote:McCain? All he's going to achieve is the quickest assassination by the most mundane method and inadvertently allow the female anti-Christ on the throne. But maybe that's the plan all along.

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
It's not hard to do better than Bush

wautd wrote:

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
It's not hard to do better than Bush

If McCain and Palin win the election, I'm pretty sure I'll end up missing Bush quite quickly

Patrick Degan wrote:In America, the only politicians who get assassinated are invariably the liberal ones.

Teebs wrote:

Patrick Degan wrote:In America, the only politicians who get assassinated are invariably the liberal ones.

Didn't Reagan get shot by some nutter, he survived but it still counts I reckon.

The Yosemite Bear wrote:no at that point Reagan had gone from being the president of the SAG and anti-Mcarthy playboy to being a lobotomized badly made android.

Teebs wrote:

Patrick Degan wrote:In America, the only politicians who get assassinated are invariably the liberal ones.

Didn't Reagan get shot by some nutter, he survived but it still counts I reckon.

Pelranius wrote:Teddy and Eisenhower would hardly qualify as conservatives in today's environment. Heck, even the Democrats would view them as being too left wing, to show you how the nation's going down the tubes.

[R_H] wrote:

Pelranius wrote:Teddy and Eisenhower would hardly qualify as conservatives in today's environment. Heck, even the Democrats would view them as being too left wing, to show you how the nation's going down the tubes.

Really, how so?

Dwight D. Eisenhower wrote:Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. ... Is there no other way the world may live?

Dwight D. Eisenhower wrote:I would say a preventive war, if the words mean anything, is to wage some sort of quick police action in order that you might avoid a terrific cataclysm of destruction later.
A preventive war, to my mind, is an impossibility today. How could you have one if one of its features would be several cities lying in ruins, several cities where many, many thousands of people would be dead and injured and mangled, the transportation systems destroyed, sanitation implements and systems all gone? That isn't preventive war; that is war.

Melchior wrote:

Dwight D. Eisenhower wrote:I would say a preventive war, if the words mean anything, is to wage some sort of quick police action in order that you might avoid a terrific cataclysm of destruction later.
A preventive war, to my mind, is an impossibility today. How could you have one if one of its features would be several cities lying in ruins, several cities where many, many thousands of people would be dead and injured and mangled, the transportation systems destroyed, sanitation implements and systems all gone? That isn't preventive war; that is war.

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I can't fathom how McCain can really do anything right. Apart from Palin's attractiveness to the far-right Xtian Taliban card holders, what substance is there? Where's the beef? I don't see anything radically different to BAU under Bush and Cheney, yet they're trying to distance themselves from that party of clowns... yet still be the same old, good values driven GOP that people love so much?

It's not hard to do better than Bush, assuming you have a pulse (which, to be honest, is only very tenuous with McCain). I just don't see anything of real interest happening, other than the total destruction of the conservative base in the eyes of anyone who isn't already in La La Land and constitutes the, what, 20%?, who still think Dubya is doing a bang up job.

Now if Obama gets in, things can change, and for the better. McCain? All he's going to achieve is the quickest assassination by the most mundane method and inadvertently allow the female anti-Christ on the throne. But maybe that's the plan all along.