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Post by Raesene » 2008-07-15 01:52pm

* wipes chin *
I think I just found a visual for the Supervisor-class heavy cruiser I scared my players with last week...

Excellent work, more ! :-)

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Post by fusion » 2008-07-16 12:05am

Very good job...

However, i don't really like that row of heavies. It seems to be a bit off. Maybe you can consolidate them into two super heavies and a spattering of mediums...

Also, the superheavies could use a bit of beefing up to show that it is a super heavy...

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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-16 10:30am

The greeble is expanding. Did some editing of the twin turrets for the really heavy guns, will do a comparison close-up later between the different mountings.

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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-18 09:01am

So I decided last night to make a tower from scratch. Blend of devastator/avenger styles. Think it turned out well, and faster than I thought. Not quite as much nurnie as my ISDv2 but better integrated into this style now, and all the edges are rounded at least :).

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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-19 12:48am

More filling in with panels, more turrets, more details for the bridge.

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Post by Darth Tanner » 2008-07-19 04:45am

I just had the sudden thought of a certain beat up smuggler ship being tracked by that central turret and flying in front of the bridge just before its stereotypically inept crew fire, immolating their own bridge.

Would make a good Kevin Anderson novel. :D

Back to the point excellent progress, the super heavy turrets look a bit small however, their the same size as all the others. It would be interesting to see them say, 20% bigger? Or maybe as big as the central platform can support.
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Post by Crossroads Inc. » 2008-07-19 01:02pm

nop no no... tjhats just excessive, if antyhign give nthe IMENSE size of this ship the rest of the guns should be SMALLER
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Post by fusion » 2008-07-19 01:28pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:nop no no... tjhats just excessive, if antyhign give nthe IMENSE size of this ship the rest of the guns should be SMALLER
Well, actually, we need a way to distinguish between the heavies and superheavies by just merely glancing over the picture. For now, the two turrets are more or less the same.

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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-19 02:23pm

Perhaps I will tweak the twin turrets. Was thinking more along the lines of having the turrets largely interchangeable, minor detail variations. Will look into that.

As for turret size, well, have you seen the turrets on the ISDI? Rather large things, those. The twin heavy ions are even bigger. Looking at ~25m average diameter mounts between them. The superheavy twins and quad ISDI-scale gun turrets here are all on 50m barbettes, twice the diameter of the the turbolaser twins on Devastator. Rather a reasonable scaling, given the total power to be channeled, I think.

And remember the scale, 7.1km, i.e. 4.5x ISD length. What makes you think the turrets should be that much smaller, given that they mount significantly larger caliber guns than the octuples on an ISDII?

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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-19 02:49pm

Filling out some gaps, more guns:

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All the turret types are visible in the second shot.

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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-20 12:55am

More stuff:

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Post by Hawkwings » 2008-07-20 02:01am

I'm slightly disappointed that the FREAKIN' GIANT CANNON mount is occupied by fiddly bits and some sensor globes.

Come to think of it, wouldn't sensor globes there be a bit ineffective? The superstructure is interfering a lot with where it can cleanly sense stuff.
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Post by JointStrikeFighter » 2008-07-20 03:58am

The Dorsal...Terrace? would probably be a good location stylisticly to mount Acclamator style missile launch tubes.

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Post by Darth Tanner » 2008-07-20 04:33am

That upper sensor globe is really going to annoy the command crew in the secondary bridge, their going to have to stare at it all day long. It totally ruins their evil overlord view.
Come to think of it, wouldn't sensor globes there be a bit ineffective?
I'm guessing their making up for the lack of frontal coverage that the main sensor globes have due to the main superstructure being in the way.

What exactly is inside the huge bulge? Power generation equipment? Hanger space? Olympic village?
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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-20 12:10pm

I'm fixing the bridge thing so it can look comfortably over the forward globes. Good catch.

And the whole big honking cannon idea is a bit odd, imho. Just as a gut feeling, I'd say eclipse-like tactical superlasers would only ever get mounted in battleships or star dreadnoughts, even if that scale of superlaser ever became common use. Probably would require massive space for capacitor banks to enable any kind of multi-fire capability that doesn't poach all the power from other systems. Seems like an unacceptable trade off for a cruiser/battlecruiser, which still needs speed, and thus a very unbalanced design in a ship this size. Though, I've always thought filling in the part of the hangar of an executor class would yield more than enough space to mount a big axial superlaser...

This structure I had envisioned as just block space for power and shield generators. I had considered hangar space, but for the absurdity of having hangar piercings in the hull in a warship meant for capital duels, right around the center of the dorsal arc that would be exposed the most during battle.

As for missiles, I'm thinking of acclamator/venator style torpedo tube clusters in the brim trenches currently; i.e. some place that would be relatively shielded from incoming fire so the torpedoes might actually get a chance to get out and away.

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Post by Darth Raptor » 2008-07-20 01:52pm

So have you settled on a name yet (Warrior-class?) and, corollary; do you mind if I incorporate this sexy beast into my own personal fanon? We're in desperate need of cruisers.

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Post by Xess » 2008-07-20 04:53pm

Darth Raptor wrote:So have you settled on a name yet (Warrior-class?) and, corollary; do you mind if I incorporate this sexy beast into my own personal fanon? We're in desperate need of cruisers.
If it's a cruiser type ship why not use Praetor-class? Seems like the reactor that could feed this could also be used to feed the Rebel's Hoth base.
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Post by DarthShady » 2008-07-20 05:28pm

This is AWESOME.

Great work.

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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-22 02:06pm

@ Darth Raptor, not all, go right ahead.

I think I'll name this thing HIMS Warrior, and decide on the class name later. Not sure if I want to trod on any established classes without anything to go on them.

Right now, filling in the top. Probably moving to the trench next.

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Post by Raesene » 2008-07-22 03:45pm

A picture request: I'd love a view from a main bridge window forward when your Warrior is finished. I need a new wallpaper and would like something like Vader's view when the fleet assembles in ESB :-)

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Post by Marko Dash » 2008-07-22 11:00pm

is it just be or do the super heavies barrels look a little stubby compared to the paired twin heavies?

personally. I'd love to see the big guns with a 3 barrel turret to distinguish them further from the other guns, and to look more like battleship main guns.
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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-23 02:14pm

I re-built the large-caliber twin turret setup, and scaled the turret to fit. All the large turrets are 75% their original size, which might help with anyone who had issues with the scale or emphasis on the armament before. Also did a quad-heavy ion cannon in a ball socket mount.

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Post by Crossroads Inc. » 2008-07-23 06:21pm

Those turrets are GORGEOUS Espcially the ball turret one, those are always goosd, Thojugh I love the Octople Light TUrbo-laser ones as well. Never understood why peopel thought those Octople turrets were as powerful as the huge Double turret ones
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Post by fractalsponge1 » 2008-07-23 06:39pm

"light" is only ~5x less power per barrel, but many more barrels, if we go by equivalence of the 6 twins on ISDI. The really light turbolasers, i.e. 200 gigaton acclamator mediums and light point defense, are all too small to be seen at any reasonable distance - just little bumps :)

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Post by Vehrec » 2008-07-23 07:19pm

Love the Ball Turret's size and heft. Looks very impressive. Also, interesting to note the heavier mounting of the superheavy turret. Is that more armor, or just more bulk for the bigger power feeds?
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