Something big

[fusion]

The new craft, however, seems much smaller than the ISD...
It could be the low amounts of detail...

Again, this reminds me the reason why we stopped debating ST v. SW...

A single volley from ship's point defense alone is more powerful than every bomb ever built in the real world combined!!!!

By the way can you see the point defense on the model of the big ship? Are they the tiny bumps on the hull?

[fractalsponge1]

Some scale shots with the whole squadron as it stands. I might have to lie low for a week or so - got a dissertation to write.

[fractalsponge1]

Engine flares!

[Illuminatus Primus]

I would love it if you did one of the Marvel battlecruisers "reinterpreted" more in line with the film aesthetic, kind of how you interpreted Dark Empire's hunchback into the Bellator. Giel's battleship would be cool too.

[fractalsponge1]

I'm planning on doing a few more ships in between ISD and SSD size. Not quite sure which though. I always thought the horn-prowed fleet carrier was cool.

This project sort of spiraled out a little from the initial idea, which was a stretched heavy cruiser. But with how the reactor scaled and the weaponry, it's probably almost a fast-battleship now. I figure Giel's ship is around 7-8km, but very massive (fat dagger shape). Given a difference in acceleration though, might actually be a pretty fair match. But there isn't really very much to model on it but panels (very little cortex), though fleshing out armament would be fun. Could do some inset details and small terraces like the Bellator perhaps.

But probably I'll take a little break from very large ships; might do a smaller ship next instead - can't populate a an entire fleet with battlewagons. Perhaps an Allegiance, only at a slightly higher detail level than the Procursator or Bellator. Either that, or a starfighter - assault gunboat/missile boat?

[Darth Raptor]

I'd really like to see some kind of fuel tanker or maintenance/supply tender, but I might be alone on that, and you might not even be interested. An Allegiance (we call them Autokrators) would be my second pick.

[fractalsponge1]

I am interested actually. I think the less glamorous ships in any navy are often very interesting, because they tell you something about how the force is run, and often there are specific design tradeoffs that are instructive as well, as opposed to brute size and strength or speed.

Question is more what size? I can see auxiliaries ranging from modular star hauler/star galleon to mobile depot stations bigger than Arc Hammer. A harder challenge to model, but might give it a shot in the future.

[RedImperator]

Does Star Wars even have tenders and the like? With the speed of hyperdrive, ships can return to their home bases in a matter of hours. I pictured the Imperial Navy acting more like an air force in that respect; the ships fly home for repair and resupply instead of having them done on-site. The only exception would be in the case of a breakdown, and even for that, I figure all you'd need is a tow truck.

[Lord Revan]

with tenders and such you could keep pretty much constant presence in a system, thus reducing the chance of a rebel attack or a pirate raid (or the rebels escaping your grasp, it's a big galaxy after all and there's only so many ship in the imperial fleet).

and there's missions in the X-wing series games where you need to intercept or protect supplies being delivered to the fleets (both imperial and rebel).

[Darth Raptor]

Does Star Wars even have tenders and the like?

Yes, they just don't get much exposure.

With the speed of hyperdrive, ships can return to their home bases in a matter of hours. I pictured the Imperial Navy acting more like an air force in that respect; the ships fly home for repair and resupply instead of having them done on-site. The only exception would be in the case of a breakdown, and even for that, I figure all you'd need is a tow truck.

It's important to remember both the size of the galaxy and the output of these reactors. At full power (i.e., combat conditions), we're talking a matter of hours or even minutes before a warship burns through its fuel. And just one of those galaxy-crossing hyperjumps is said to consume more power than a planetary civilization will use over the course of its history. It would be like if modern combat aircraft sprayed their fuel as a weapon- that would dramatically alter their flight plans, and even a modern air force employs tankers. Stationary star bases and massive fleet depots also exist, but SW does employ a mobile logistics train.

[fractalsponge1]

It's important to remember both the size of the galaxy and the output of these reactors. At full power (i.e., combat conditions), we're talking a matter of hours or even minutes before a warship burns through its fuel. And just one of those galaxy-crossing hyperjumps is said to consume more power than a planetary civilization will use over the course of its history.

Indeed. Actually, a fleet tanker is one of the conspicuously missing ships in the depicted set of SW vessels. Ships may carry years of hotel load and spares and stores for a long period, but there's got to be a standard transport for hypermatter. Perhaps a worthy subject for sketching out in 3d.

[Darth Tanner]

Yes, they just don't get much exposure.

The black fleet crisis trilogy is the only time I've heard of them.
They also appear in the Warlord mod for Homeworld, I don't know where they sourced the images for the ship they created but it was basically just a flying lumpy tube with a glowing arse.

[Raesene]

Yes, they just don't get much exposure.

The black fleet crisis trilogy is the only time I've heard of them.
They also appear in the Warlord mod for Homeworld, I don't know where they sourced the images for the ship they created but it was basically just a flying lumpy tube with a glowing arse.

In Allston's 'Wraith Squadron' book, the Corellian Corvette captured meets an imperial tender to acquire some stores etc.

Great pictures as usual, Fractalsponge

[Ekiqa]

I'd imagine that a fleet tanker would be a bloody huge ship.

Otherwise you'd need dozens to keep something like the Death Squadron going.

[Vehrec]

Four letters: F.S.C.V. With 100 billion cubic meters of bulk storage, and maybe some specialist modules for things like hypermatter, its the last word in Space Trains.

And the engine glow looks real nice.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I'm planning on doing a few more ships in between ISD and SSD size. Not quite sure which though. I always thought the horn-prowed fleet carrier was cool.

This project sort of spiraled out a little from the initial idea, which was a stretched heavy cruiser. But with how the reactor scaled and the weaponry, it's probably almost a fast-battleship now. I figure Giel's ship is around 7-8km, but very massive (fat dagger shape). Given a difference in acceleration though, might actually be a pretty fair match. But there isn't really very much to model on it but panels (very little cortex), though fleshing out armament would be fun. Could do some inset details and small terraces like the Bellator perhaps.

But probably I'll take a little break from very large ships; might do a smaller ship next instead - can't populate a an entire fleet with battlewagons. Perhaps an Allegiance, only at a slightly higher detail level than the Procursator or Bellator. Either that, or a starfighter - assault gunboat/missile boat?

I must have started to become a pain in the ass, but also, an interpretation of the Sovereign and/or Mandator II would be nice. My request hierarchy: Giel's battleship, Allegiance, Mandator II, fleet carrier, and Marvel battlecruiser.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Does Star Wars even have tenders and the like? With the speed of hyperdrive, ships can return to their home bases in a matter of hours. I pictured the Imperial Navy acting more like an air force in that respect; the ships fly home for repair and resupply instead of having them done on-site. The only exception would be in the case of a breakdown, and even for that, I figure all you'd need is a tow truck.

Cracken's Threat Dossier explicitly states as that as part of the New Class program, the New Republic Navy would receive a few new classes of tenders to supply the fleet on long range deployments.

Very nice models. Could you possibly do a Mon Cal cruiser? Like a Viscount?

[phongn]

Very nice models. Could you possibly do a Mon Cal cruiser? Like a Viscount?

Dude, that was asked before.

[Ford Prefect]

Personally, if another Star Destroyer was done, I would rather like to see a Mandator. There are, to my knowledge, no visuals of what it would look like ... nor is there much established in terms of size or armament. I'd like to see what you would do with such a 'free range', so to speak.

[Darth Raptor]

An unofficial but well done MSD here.

[fractalsponge1]

I didn't like that particular Mandator portrayal. Does not seem to be a credible starting point for the Executor; I imagine the design lineage should be obvious between the two - I can't imagine KDY would ignore its old similar-scale designs when making something that big. The off-dagger shape bugs me - KDY must have been working on its catalogue for a long time; but just because of this it doesn't mean they would've gone for a less than optimal shape in what is in what seems to be their flagship product - I think that CG version is meant to look "older," but it goes too far.

My version would be a bigger ship, 10-12km range, very close hull shape compared to the executor but fatter, a size which is closer to "1000 Recusants" on a simple volume scaling note, and more in keeping with the notion of s Star Dreadnaught - it's an self-evidently monstrous ship, and obviously not a new naval designation; a 4km ship is not that when Imperial heavy destroyers are hitting 2-3km. I'd probably scale the relative power to between half and two-thirds that of the executor, making the new SSD a real advance per ship, especially if it, as I envision is a good deal faster, but all in all not sufficient to make its predecessors obsolete.

I was discussing this idea with a fellow 3d artist a few weeks ago actually, and came up with a doodle to show where I was going with this:

http://fractalsponge.net/big/mand/mand1.jpg
http://fractalsponge.net/big/mand/mand2.jpg
http://fractalsponge.net/big/mand/mand3.jpg

Sorry for only links, stupid 640 pix width limit and I'm too tired to bother thumbnailing it right now.

And now, a new project I started after the idea of a fleet auxiliary to go with my bellator was brought up. My light star destroyer (Procursator) is in scale for the last one.

http://fractalsponge.net/tanker/3.jpg
http://fractalsponge.net/tanker/4.jpg
http://fractalsponge.net/tanker/5.jpg
http://fractalsponge.net/tanker/6.jpg

Rambling post, sorry, but it's late for me

[Ekiqa]

I like both.

How much fuel do you believe the tanker can carry?

And if it was more enclosed, though I like the look as it is, it could carry other consumables.

[fusion]

That is nice, very stylish. If you are to do the Mandator, keep us posted!!!

I like it how the tanker is actually much bigger than a destroyer, just like how a Supertanker is much larger than any ship afloat.

[Marko Dash]

maybe something other than a starship, like an ultra heavy walker or one of the AT-AT variants.

[fusion]

maybe something other than a starship, like an ultra heavy walker or one of the AT-AT variants.

Did you check? Linky
I hope there is more to come...

Also he has a website: http://fractalsponge.net/