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Re: Something big

Postby Shroom Man 777 » 2017-04-07 09:42pm

Ask Curtis. He invented the concept I think.
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Re: Something big

Postby fractalsponge1 » 2017-04-15 06:17pm

Have had zero time for 3D lately, but here's some recent stuff:

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Re: Something big

Postby Abacus » 2017-04-16 07:25am

Nice work! Good luck with IRL stuff.
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Re: Something big

Postby Crossroads Inc. » 2017-04-16 01:02pm

That is an, interesting, way to mount weapons.
I guess all three turrets can fire forward at the same time. Is that really how the original Thad things?
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Re: Something big

Postby fractalsponge1 » 2017-04-16 01:55pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:That is an, interesting, way to mount weapons.
I guess all three turrets can fire forward at the same time. Is that really how the original Thad things?


Sort of? It's comics art, so not really clear exactly how the small blisters are laid out on the big one. The general arrangement of blister on giant blister was clear though, so this is my rationalization of it. It's complicated, but it does allow every gun to bear forward and down, which is clearly where the ship orients the main threat axis.

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Re: Something big

Postby Abacus » 2017-04-17 10:15am

I forget, but that thing is pretty much a frigate-class vessel, no?
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Re: Something big

Postby fractalsponge1 » 2017-04-17 10:18am

Abacus wrote:I forget, but that thing is pretty much a frigate-class vessel, no?


It's 3+km long. So easily OT star battlecruiser volume.

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Re: Something big

Postby Abacus » 2017-04-17 01:37pm

fractalsponge1 wrote:
Abacus wrote:I forget, but that thing is pretty much a frigate-class vessel, no?


It's 3+km long. So easily OT star battlecruiser volume.

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Wow, that is big.

By the by, my apologies fractal, where were the stats for the Legator-class again? I think I missed them. Or did you make stats for it at all?
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Re: Something big

Postby Galvatron » 2017-04-25 02:46pm

That ship looks like it might be a relative to the Lucrehulk.

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Re: Something big

Postby Abacus » 2017-04-27 09:06am

Galvatron wrote:That ship looks like it might be a relative to the Lucrehulk.


I'd be surprised if it didn't *inspire* the Lucrehulk.
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Re: Something big

Postby Crazedwraith » 2017-04-27 09:10am

Because it's round?
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Re: Something big

Postby Abacus » 2017-04-28 12:07pm

Crazedwraith wrote:Because it's round?


Not exactly. The ship itself is several millennia old from the OT perspective. I imagine that, before this particular ship was eventually and completely discontinued from construction or use, that it was modified from its military variant to a civilian version. Considering it's size, it's likely that mass transportation of goods became cost-effective. Companies like the Trade Federation would be more than happy to buy used, underpriced military hardware and repurpose it for cheaper, bigger transport. Once they decided to build their own transport ships (ie Lucrehulks), they likely copied most of the design elements of the older ship.

But sure, let's break it down to Occam's Razor: *because it's round*.
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Re: Something big

Postby Weedle McHairybug » 2017-04-29 04:18pm

Lord Revan wrote:Didn't the novelization say that Scarrif had all rejects from imperial military who where more or less utterly imcompetent but too well connected to execute or kick out, granted IIRC that was what Tarkin thought of them so it might not be a 100% unbiased opinion.


Based on some of the statements Krennic made during the Battle of Scarif in the film itself, like sarcastically screaming if the command center staff was blind to the explosions that they had just witnessed before ordering for the deployment of the garrison, Tarkin may be on to something there.

Of course, that begs the question of why the Empire would have extremely incompetent people manning something as important as a security base, especially one that contains the plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, even under the pretense of them being too well connected to either execute or kick out. I mean, that's actually pretty stupid. If anything, something like that would require the base to be manned by those among the Empire's best troops. Must admit, I actually found that odd, and probably one of my few complaints about the film (the only other being Tarkin's inference that the Imperial Senate would join the rebels in droves if the Death Star was exposed publicly, considering that it's extremely unlikely the DS-1's existence would have the Senate go against the Empire realistically. After all, did the Manhattan Project that developed the atomic bombs cause both the House of Representatives and the Senate to defect to the Axis powers in droves? Of course, that being said, that was admittedly also a flaw in A New Hope as well, so I won't exactly blame Rogue One too much for using that flaw since it was originally present in the film.). That said, Rogue One's still better than The Force Awakens any day.

And nice improvement on the Inexpugnable-class Command Ship, Ansel!

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Re: Something big

Postby Darth Tanner » 2017-04-29 06:06pm

did the Manhattan Project that developed the atomic bombs cause both the House of Representatives and the Senate to defect to the Axis


Maybe if the Manhattan project was intended to start wiping out US cities to keep them inline of the literal evil wizard that assumed dictatorship powers and the Axis had been soundly defeated 20 years ago.

, it's likely that mass transportation of goods became cost-effective


Emptying out a custom build battleship would still make it a poor cargo carrier unless SW designs are comically modular in terms of ability to remove structural beams.



Whats the estimate firepower of those big guns, they have to be heavy hitters at that size!
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Re: Something big

Postby Weedle McHairybug » 2017-04-29 09:19pm

Darth Tanner wrote:
did the Manhattan Project that developed the atomic bombs cause both the House of Representatives and the Senate to defect to the Axis


Maybe if the Manhattan project was intended to start wiping out US cities to keep them inline of the literal evil wizard that assumed dictatorship powers and the Axis had been soundly defeated 20 years ago.


Maybe, but then again, realistically, it's unlikely the Empire would use the Death Star against its own people, no matter how brutal it is, despite what the films showed, because it doesn't really play out to reality. Not even the USSR or Mao Zedong's China when they gained nukes used them to blow up their own cities even to put down any rebellious elements, and those practically WERE evil empires in all but name, outranking even the Nazis in terms of sheer vileness and death tolls. If that had any basis in reality, the USSR would have used its nukes to wipe out, say, the town of Tolyatti or Novokuznetsk, for example, or hey, just drop a nuke on Hungary during its revolution in 1956 or East Germany during its uprising in 1953 against any rebellious elements in the Warsaw Pact within Eastern Europe. Or hey, have Mao Zedong blast various peasant communities that revolt against him after 1964, even. And believe me, they had a LOT more nukes than the Empire did with its Death Star, so they were MORE than capable of doing that if they wanted to. Not to mention the Communists both times often using boogeymen about "capitalists" and "Christians" despite largely wiping them out upon taking power. Sorry about this, but it still seems unrealistic, especially when the USSR and Red China, themselves very bloody in how they take people out, did not use nukes to do so, and arguably didn't even NEED nukes or sufficiently high-tech stuff to cause that carnage. They used low grade guns like assault rifles and pistols, and also forced starvations, and sometimes they didn't even need traditional weapons, but just various brutal forms of punishments, but they did not use nukes against their own people, which the Death Star is essentially the Star Wars equivalent of if we are to treat the entire galaxy as essentially being real life Earth.

, it's likely that mass transportation of goods became cost-effective


Emptying out a custom build battleship would still make it a poor cargo carrier unless SW designs are comically modular in terms of ability to remove structural beams.



Whats the estimate firepower of those big guns, they have to be heavy hitters at that size!


Yeah. A custom-build battleship being customized from a cargo carrier is one thing, but the reverse is probably going to pose a lot of difficulties.

Anyways, Fractal, I wonder when you'll post any new images regarding your projects?

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Re: Something big

Postby AniThyng » 2017-04-29 10:49pm

The galactic empire is the dominant superpower in the galaxy where the only threats to it ate internal in the form of the rebellion, while China and the Soviet union still have to be mindful of the impact of thier actions on the policies of the united states, a peer superpower...
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Re: Something big

Postby Lord Revan » 2017-04-30 05:38am

yeah it's vitally important to remember that rebels are "imperial people" , the Galactic Civil War was 100% internal conflict and that's where the analogy with the Manhattan project breaks down as in a civil war loyalities aren't a clear cut as they're when dealing with an external threat, also IIRC the Galactic Empire was never officially at war since the CIS was defeated before it was formed.

All this makes the Death Star very much a different beast then the 1945 atomic bombs. While we can ignore the "wizard" part as IIRC the identity of Darth Sideous wasn't publically known (in fact was truly known only by a select few) from what I've gathered from rebels, Rogue One and the OT movies Palapatine and the empire wasn't exactly well liked even if few had the guts to oppose them openly, so it wouldn't be odd that there would Senators who were opposed to Palpatine's rule but too afraid of retribution to speak out and the Death Star would be the last straw to them.
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