Re: SDN Worlds 4 Commentary Thread VI
Posted: 2011-08-19 04:43pm
No. That show is probably heresy in Byzantium, so the Byzantines won't recognize it at all.
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Seconded- I must have missed the part where the XylyXians were already overrunning the system.Shroom Man 777 wrote:Well, that's an interesting suggestion DH.
But, I honestly don't know what to make of it. I wasn't aware that the Xylyx had gotten to Sol (I thought they were shooting down listening posts last time), so yeah this is an unexpected pickle we're in now.
Agreed.And I have no idea how to resolve it (and at the moment I'm also pretty sleep deprived).
But thanks, Hellion. I just... don't know about the whole popping multiverses and pocket universes. My first reaction was actually to ask out loud what you were smoking, and if you could hook me with some, cause damn that weirds even me out. *Salute*
That was my perception, I just wanted to nail it down to reassure everyone. This is, at most, an opportunity for others to write stories featuring Terrors From Beyond, should they choose to do so. Not an imposition.Siege wrote:We certainly don't want to force anything on anyone. I want to emphasize that we are not aiming for a "the Imperium was right, time to submit to the God-Emperor, turn the lights down and cue the spikebannerskulled grimdarkness" response. That's not how the Sovereignty is going to respond, and it's not how I expect anybody else to respond (if they want to respond in the first place, which they might not want to.)
Oh don't worry, I'm writing up just the reason....Master_Baerne wrote:I'd just like to have it on record that I have no serious problems with Downfall - sure, there were Eoghan and Ascendant ships there before the Byzantines could have showed up, but there's plenty of ways for things to have turned out that way.
From what I can tell (again the timeline for the MEH invasion is a bit muddled because several posts are not dated) from the OMINOUS the Eoghan and Ascendant forces of the Sol Distraction fleet were in system since June 3rd while the Byz/Brag forces seem to arrive sometime June 4th. So a timeframe of something like 12-24 hours exists in which these two are in Sol but make no move. From the Coalition the Klavostani's have stealth ships in the area that are monitoring ship movement (I am going to assume that the Klavostani's detected the logistics tail of the Emissary fleet when they sent their message to the Tianguo) and it is unclear if the Tianguo sent any advanced forces to system between June 2nd and June 4th. So, there are at least three and possibly four factions who have forces in the area who must not respond.Siege wrote:Can you clarify for me which those four factions are, and why it is necessary for them to "sit around for something like 12 hours in Sol Sector without making any kind of moves" for Downfall to happen? Where did these 12 hours come from, anyway?
EDIT: To avoid potential confusion I'd like to clarify that this isn't a trick question or somethin'. Yours truly might be one of those persons who "routinely post here in bad faith" (god that cracks me up every time ), but in this particular case I'm honestly not following.
It's okay man. Tim has that one covered for you already.Dark Hellion wrote:It doesn't even involve people flying around in their underwear so I feel that I am still safely in the realm of bad sci-fi logic
The Eoghan and Atlanteans arrived at Sol on June 2. Their purpose there is to basically harass and harry the defenders to prevent them from reinforcing Xena, not directly engage them in a giant decisive battle, because the EUC/Atlantean force is not big enough to simply smash the defenders aside. They force the Sol fleet to stay in Sol, the Sol fleet cannot reinforce their allies in Xena who are getting killed because if they leave the system, Sol will be defenseless from the Eoghans and Nova-Atlanteans.Dark Hellion wrote:
From what I can tell (again the timeline for the MEH invasion is a bit muddled because several posts are not dated) from the OMINOUS the Eoghan and Ascendant forces of the Sol Distraction fleet were in system since June 3rd while the Byz/Brag forces seem to arrive sometime June 4th. So a timeframe of something like 12-24 hours exists in which these two are in Sol but make no move.
Ah, but you forget. The OMINOUS and SHITS don't exactly see eye to eye, and they will also be exerting diplomatic pressures on each other because the Centralists brought in other human nations to Sol.Additionally, the Coalition fleet jumps toward Sol Sector at 11AM June 4th. This gives a relatively short time in which the Brag/Byz fleet must jump from Xena to Sol and then move from the hyperspace limit to Earth, smash the static defenses, drop colonies and then fulfill the Downfall post. I am not saying that this is impossible. As it currently stands it could happen but it seems to rely on a number of very improbable events. Besides simple physical interdiction it relies on the Byzantines being able to act for several hours without any diplomatic pressure that they cannot ignore. Given the perpetually fragile political nature of the K-Zone and the fact that half of the known galaxy has reasons to apply such pressure I think this is a very, very big assumption to make. Additionally, many OMINOUS members have a vested interest in applying their own pressures on the Byzantine fleet to forestall this kind of event and considering the general animosity between the inhumanists and the Imperium, the relative size of fleets and the investment of military power the Imperium is making, I doubt the Primarchs want to risk being destroyed by their own allies. Especially because such actions could severely endanger their position within K-Zone and galactic politics. Of course, the Imperium is Fins and he can do whatever he wants with it but in the interest of fairness others should have been allowed to do what they wanted with their factions and respond to the events leading up to Downfall.
We had no idea that you were in the Sol system actual. Your last post before that was destroying some listening posts on June 1, and mobilizing your fleet and deploying them. So... oops.And these objections are only using continuity as it stands now. I am still early in June 1st, 3401 in my storyline which means I have at least 24 hours + transit time of total impunity within the Sol Sector before any Tianguo advanced force could arrive, 48-72 hours + transit time before the Sol Distraction Fleet arrives and 72-96 hours before Downfall occurs. Downfall makes no consideration for my actions and for any reactions that other factions may have to them.
Instead of making bubble universes, can't we simply alter some time stamps and fluidize the chronology of events if we want to keep Downfall? That would seem simpler.Now, I don't think there was any ill-will involved in the creation of Downfall, I think you guys had an idea for a story you felt was interesting and you ran with it. This is why I suggested the goofy multiverse idea. Now, that idea is very comic booky (Steve and other DC fans should recognize it as basically an adaptation of the various DC crisis events) and is honestly just a giant cop-out to maintain what I think is cool story that would otherwise need to retconned out for continuity reasons. I am not actually very satisfied with that whole idea and would welcome other suggestions but I do think it would make for some very good stories.
We left the actual battle of Sol undetailed, and did not actually describe anything aside from Byzantine actions, precisely to allow others to flesh out their reactions and the details of the complex Sol situation.However, I feel that you did jump the gun a bit by not letting the entire story proceed before posting and have oversimplified what should be a very complex event. That being said many people seem to be okay with changing their plans in order to work it into canon and I do have several ideas of how I can write my own fleet out but I honestly don't like having to do so simply because you managed to post first.
June 3rd+: Crisis point. OMINOUS forces will now be in the territory and may react.
Well, as long as that idea doesn't involve DC style crisis universe shenenigans, I'll look forward to hearing it. Because, yeah, as you say we've got a lot to suss out.Now, there are ways I can write myself out during this time period but I don't really like being forced to. That being said I do have one idea that I am kinda liking but I need a bit of time to work it out further to see if I really want to use it.
*nervous tic*White Haven wrote:It's okay man. Tim has that one covered for you already.Dark Hellion wrote:It doesn't even involve people flying around in their underwear so I feel that I am still safely in the realm of bad sci-fi logic
Well, duh. But even a penal division will lose the ability to attack after sustaining a certain level of casualties. Even if you treat your soldiers as you would expendable rounds of ammunition, they'd still be expected to accomplish something in return for their death, even if it's just demining an areaShroom Man 777 wrote:Awesome, PeZook. That's what penal divisions are for!
All signs point to da.Shroom Man 777 wrote:And EWOKS! The biggest little badasses ever!
Did they all die?
Antimissile systems will let fly some rounds but largely we are high tailing for home.Darkevilme wrote:Okay and up. A reaction.
Fingolfin I dont expect to cause a lot of damage, just some, but that's dependent on what the others do. Because of course we announced our decision to Ominous so anyone on Ominous is welcome to join us.