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Evincer wrote: Motor Torpedo Boats

750 MAS Boats 1915-1918 = 22,500 tons (or about 900 55-foot Coastal Motor Boats)

Evincer wrote:Hey, at least I didn't fill up 300,000 tons with MTBs!

Well, Steve approved a 400 MTB force, but I recalculated it after changes to fleet age rules.

If it's a problem, I can go back to 400 MTBs.

Keep in mind that they have been manufactured for at least a decade on a standarized design with incremental improvements.

Stas Bush wrote:US classes? Doesn't it make sense for Byzantium to stick more to European school of dreadnaughts than the US one? Eh, nevermind. I just thought those Salamis-class were pretty awesome for their time

Stas Bush wrote:Oh, I see. Well, the US design lineage isn't without problems either. Is there someone playing Italy by the way? Because I'll be using Italian school designs later in the game (1930s).

I'd love to see a powerful Italian dreadnaught line. And of course, I want to see the actually finished Salamis with 356-mm armament in action!

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Heh.. I just wanted to have a consistent design lineage after all. Italy's designs look interesting, but I disliked some of the design problems they had.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Heh.. I just wanted to have a consistent design lineage after all. Italy's designs look interesting, but I disliked some of the design problems they had.

RogueIce wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Heh.. I just wanted to have a consistent design lineage after all. Italy's designs look interesting, but I disliked some of the design problems they had.

Our navies are going to look remarkably similar, aren't they?

Evincer wrote:I'm posting a modification of what Steve approved as the fleet listing for Peru-Bolivia. The modifications are to reduce the amount of 10+ year old tonnage to 1 3/rd of the fleet instead of half, because all of the ships are below 10,000 tons in displacement and are therefore not capital ships or dreadnoughts.

Peru-Bolivia has a naval focus of 2, allowing for 300,000 tons. (BTW does this represent a limitation on the size of the starting fleet, or the total fleet size throughout the game as long as naval focus remains 2?)

Fleet listing

Cruiser Analogues

8 Seigfried-class-analogue Coastal Defense Ships (rebuilt) at 4,250 tons each = 34,000 tons
(laid down approx. 1902-1912, Commissioned well before 1915)

8 Sverige-class-analogue Coastal Defense Ships at 7125 tons each = 57,000 tons
Laid down 1915-1923

16 Total Cruiser-analogues = 91,000 tons

Cruisers

4 Birkenhead-class Cruisers at 5,440 tons each = 21,600 tons (reserve)
Commissioned 1915

Destroyers

20 Almirante Lynch-class destroyers (1911-1915) at 1,430 tons each
=28,600 tons

18 2,000 ton heavy destroyers = 36,000 tons
laid down 1920-1924

38 destroyers = 64,600 tons

Submarines

16 H-class light submarines at 400 tons each = 6,400 tons (reserve)
Laid down 1911-1914

8 Type U31 submarines at approx 900 tons each = 7,200 tons (reserve)
Laid down 1912-1914

16 Type U51/57/63 submarines at approx 1000 tons each = 16,000 tons
Laid down 1915-1916

2 Type U139 submarines at approximately 2000 tons each = 4,000 tons
Laid down beginning 1916

4 Type U46(a) submarines at approximately 2000 tons each = 8,000 tons
Laid down beginning 1918

8 L-class submarines at 890 tons each = 7,120 tons
Laid down 1916 [all of which are minelayers)

4 R-class hunter-killer submarines at 420 tons each = 1,680 tons

2 experimental submarines at 2,820 tons each = 5,640 tons
Laid-down 1921, Commissioned 1925

Total submarine tonnage = approximately 56,040

Torpedo Boats

20 765-ton torpedo boats commissioned 1910-1914 = 15,300 tons

Motor Torpedo Boats

750 MAS Boats 1915-1918 = 22,500 tons (or about 900 55-foot Coastal Motor Boats)

River Gunboats

10 1412-ton river gunboats commissioned 1900-1902 = 14,120 tons (Mainly stationed in the Upper Paraguay River)

12 560-ton modern river gunboats = 6720 tons

12 400-ton modern river gunboats = 4,800 tons

Total tonnage = 296, 680

Total tonnage 10 years old or more = 127, 220
(all ships below 10,000 tons, so only 1 3rd need to be 10 years old or older)

Auxilliaries

Minelayers

10 300-ton minelayers commissioned before 1915 = 3,000 tons

6 2,500 ton minelayers laid down 1911 = 15,000 tons

6 modern minelayers 2,600 tons each = 15,500 tons

Hospital ships

Oilers and coalers

Transports

Maybe some submarine tenders

Norseman wrote:I'm still looking at this design and wondering if I should leave it be, as is, or if I should have it converted over to being a carrier. If so before or after it was completed, if it was before then I imagine much of the armour would be gone, but after would perhaps be more realistic. So what do you think guys?

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Working Class Hero, FSR of Brazil Battlecruiser laid down 1920

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That thing is worse than a Derfflinger class and would be belly-up against one of my 1920 BC classes. I say convert it.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Rough general idea of the Byzantine Imperial Navy.

Hadrian class (South Carolina class) x 2 (Hadrian, Antoninus Pius)
Marcus Aurelius class (Delaware class) x 2 (Marcus Aurelius, Nerva)
Trajan class (Florida class) x 2 (Trajan, Vespasian)
Domitian class (Wyoming class) x 2 (Domitian, Titus)
Tiberius class (New York class) x 2 (Tiberius, Nero)
Diocletian class (Pennsylvania class) x 2 (Diocletian, Valentinian)
Aurelian class (New Mexico class) x 2 (Aurelian, Tacitus)
Valens class (Tennessee class) x 2 (Valens, Constantius
Constantine class (Colorado class) x 2 (Constantine, Augustus)
Justinian class (laid down in 1922, will be detailed later) x 2-4 (Justinian, Theodosius)

I will go detail the cruisers later, once I run through the available classes. Some of the above ships might be wiped off because of tonnage limitations.

Lascaris wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Rough general idea of the Byzantine Imperial Navy.

Hadrian class (South Carolina class) x 2 (Hadrian, Antoninus Pius)
Marcus Aurelius class (Delaware class) x 2 (Marcus Aurelius, Nerva)
Trajan class (Florida class) x 2 (Trajan, Vespasian)
Domitian class (Wyoming class) x 2 (Domitian, Titus)
Tiberius class (New York class) x 2 (Tiberius, Nero)
Diocletian class (Pennsylvania class) x 2 (Diocletian, Valentinian)
Aurelian class (New Mexico class) x 2 (Aurelian, Tacitus)
Valens class (Tennessee class) x 2 (Valens, Constantius
Constantine class (Colorado class) x 2 (Constantine, Augustus)
Justinian class (laid down in 1922, will be detailed later) x 2-4 (Justinian, Theodosius)

I will go detail the cruisers later, once I run through the available classes. Some of the above ships might be wiped off because of tonnage limitations.

Uhm... yes Byzantum is the Roman empire, being Greek I'm the last to contest the claim. But by the same token it is a Greek dominated state for about the last 15 centuries. So perhaps there is something wrong with naming the battleships all after dead Romans instead of dead Byzantines?

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Lascaris wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Rough general idea of the Byzantine Imperial Navy.

Hadrian class (South Carolina class) x 2 (Hadrian, Antoninus Pius)
Marcus Aurelius class (Delaware class) x 2 (Marcus Aurelius, Nerva)
Trajan class (Florida class) x 2 (Trajan, Vespasian)
Domitian class (Wyoming class) x 2 (Domitian, Titus)
Tiberius class (New York class) x 2 (Tiberius, Nero)
Diocletian class (Pennsylvania class) x 2 (Diocletian, Valentinian)
Aurelian class (New Mexico class) x 2 (Aurelian, Tacitus)
Valens class (Tennessee class) x 2 (Valens, Constantius
Constantine class (Colorado class) x 2 (Constantine, Augustus)
Justinian class (laid down in 1922, will be detailed later) x 2-4 (Justinian, Theodosius)

What? We still honor our Roman Emperors. Why should forget them all? (and to be honest, I can't think of many Greek names off hand being not Greek.)

That aside, there are only so many Emperor names to choose from to name capital ships, and there are a few Eastern Roman Emperors on the above list.

Lascaris wrote:So non entities like Valens and Constantius, known madmen like Nero and evil persecutors of Christianity like Diocletian all get ships along an obscure historian but the likes of Heraclius, Leo III, Tsimisces and Nikephorus Phokas are nowhere to be seen?

I didn't fill up 300,000 tons with MTBs. I just pointed out to Steve how absolutely insane that'd be.

I actually 'only' have 350 of 'em, but then I do have enough other ships to at least put on a decent fleet review.