SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK II

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-05-12 10:05am

Oh, and Mr. Bean, I must applaud your hiring of Aleister Crowley.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-05-12 10:12am

Baerne, what submarine assets do you have?

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-05-12 10:27am

I have six Virginia-class SSNs. Shepnukistan was kind enough to provide me with them.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-05-12 11:01am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:And, you'll notice in my epic speech, I didn't technically declare that I recognized the warlords

Yeah, I'm avoiding that issue too... publicly.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-05-12 12:09pm

For the curious, this is what I have deployed outside Canissian territory:

CANISSIAN SOUTHERN FLEET: (Taking part in Operation Defend Liberty)

2 Ticonderoga Cruisers
RMS Columbia (Flagship); brevet-Commodore James Ross
RMS Celestra; Captain Ashley Winn

3 Arleigh-Burke Destroyers
RMS Castille; Capt. Ian Drago
RMS Valencia; Capt. Ben Forster
RMS Grenada; Capt. Erich Horst

3 Halifax Frigates
RMS Apollo (Flagship); brevet-Commodore Steven Ramm
RMS Osiris; Capt. Yvette LaFleur
RMS Sleipnir; Capt. Richard "Ricky" Sevren

2 Victoria SSKs
RMS Badger; Capt. Ramon deSantos
RMS Wolverine; Capt. Oscar Verjus

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CANISSIAN CENTRAL FLEET (Homeported out of Port Serenity, Gottland)
1 Ticonderoga Cruiser
RMS Atlantica (Flag); Commodore Alex Manstein

2 Arleigh-Burke Destroyers
RMS Owyhee (Flag); brevet-Commodore Rex Bartley
RMS Sonora; Capt. Randall Hearst

3 Halifax Frigates
RMS Hera
RMS Heracles

1st Hydrofoil Squadron: 5 Pegasus 'foils
RMS Tauron; Corvette Captain Steve Anders
RMS Hydron
RMS Picon
RMS Caprica
RMS Gemonon

3 Victoria SSKs
RMS Diamondback
RMS Anaconda
RMS Copperhead

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-05-12 12:49pm

I guess you can have "Brother Tulka" working for you, they are a religous and monastic order, so give them a small abbey, let them shave their heads, and go forth and kill the wicked...

I don't know if they tattoo barcodes on their followers or not, I hope they have better sense then to do that....

mostly though they are damn thurohgh at not leaving any evidence that can be traced back to them. The original Assassins were big on public Display, the Thuggee had the smarts to hide bodies. so as a result the current Assassin/Thuggee sect, tends to either make it look like Scuicide/accident, or a high profile hit, in a public place, where the weapon is found completely cleaned/steriled and no one ever sees who did it, or the brother is found very dead. <they carry their own means of killing themselves, and they don't have much in the way of ID thats real>

Ok, they will get a place of their own within the shadow empire. What is the exact name of their brotherhood?

They will be very useful in the near future.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-12 02:20pm

PeZook wrote:Hah! But that's the real genius of this move!

Before, if we had, say, pirates operating from Libertopia, the Sultan or Ramsley could just shrug and say "Well, we're not exactly a country. What can we do?".

And now, they instantly become responsible for things like the Astoria Hostage Crisis. And since they're reponsible, they become a target if they piss off some of us to the point of military action.

They chose that themselves by going onto the international scene, too.

This is what swayed my decision towards recognition of Alexandria and the Diocese -- but there's still a "terminate" order out on the Sultan -- Declaring Jihad on Shepnukistan and the LSR does that....

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-05-12 02:30pm

The UKB will not under any condition recognize the Sultan as a ruler. He is a thug, he is a murder bastard, and more importantly.

He's not our bastard.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-05-12 03:33pm

I haven't caught up yet to current events, but from reading the comments thread I think I can gather enough to formulate a response, and I should too. Mostly mobilization stuff, so Saddam the Great doesn't get any funny ideas about his SE neighbor being wide open.

Also, I have a Muslim population under a vassal of Adrianpolis called the Sultan of Sulu. He'll probably have a response to Libertopia's Sultan of some sort, if nothing else to keep my Muslims from going off and doing something stupid, but I don't think I'll get around to writing it today.

Incidentally, I have based some of my nation on my old one from the abortive Victorian STGOD (as should be obvious from having the same landmass). As such, I have the some Gurka rip-off light infantry composed of Moros, who are tough uncompromising bastards. They are also Muslims, and thus could be very useful in operations against the Libertopian Sultan, especially in situations were having infidels present (attacking or securing a religious site, for example) would cause complications with the natives.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-05-12 03:45pm

There are three ways we can try to end this jihad:

1: the guy who called it calls it off.
2: a bigger, more important holy guy nixes it.
3: the jihad is successfully completed.

If Ibrahim doesn't call off the jihad, then we need to find a bigger Islamic scholar, Islamic national or cultural leader, a qadi (judge of Islamic law) or mufti (administrator of a Islamic holy place) and get him to rescind it while Ibrahim gets smoked.

Basically, a "bigger Muslim" potentate can declare the Sultan's call to jihad un-Islamic and say that he is a false Muslim. We'll end up boosting another Muslim leader's status in the community, which can potentially backfire.

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-05-12 03:50pm

Well, I went and tried to convince the Sultan of the reality of the situation. ProTec isn't telling him anything new and really isn't offering much either. At least it could be said I tried. My agents also didn't mention any connection at all with anyone except ProTec.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-05-12 03:57pm

MKSheppard wrote: This is what swayed my decision towards recognition of Alexandria and the Diocese -- but there's still a "terminate" order out on the Sultan -- Declaring Jihad on Shepnukistan and the LSR does that....

That's understandable. We'll see what we can do, and if he's too stubborn...well, it's his funeral.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2008-05-12 03:57pm

MKSheppard wrote:
This is what swayed my decision towards recognition of Alexandria and the Diocese -- but there's still a "terminate" order out on the Sultan -- Declaring Jihad on Shepnukistan and the LSR does that....

Just a reminder, the only nation under Jihad is the LSR. Mangka was warned, Shepnukistan, MESS and OMSK were protested.

I'm hesitant to point this out, but since Terra Libertia is not the Middle East, we're dealing with a different type of Muslims here. They lack the history to build up the hate. It's not like they hate the Western, um sorry, "Northeastern World". A Jihad against one nation is a Jihad against one nation, not the whole world.

Of course, after this conflict, we'll see what happens

Edit:
And yes, I'd like to see more Muslims. C'mon guys! Let them protest or approve!

I was hesitant to set up a new Mecca in the Sultanate because there didn't seem much Muslim population in the world

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-05-12 04:10pm

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
This is what swayed my decision towards recognition of Alexandria and the Diocese -- but there's still a "terminate" order out on the Sultan -- Declaring Jihad on Shepnukistan and the LSR does that....
Just a reminder, the only nation under Jihad is the LSR. Mangka was warned, Shepnukistan, MESS and OMSK were protested...

I thought Ibrahim extended the Jihad to Shepnukistan as well after Shep condemned the LSR jihad...

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-05-12 04:12pm

Coyote wrote:If Ibrahim doesn't call off the jihad, then we need to find a bigger Islamic scholar, Islamic national or cultural leader, a qadi (judge of Islamic law) or mufti (administrator of a Islamic holy place) and get him to rescind it while Ibrahim gets smoked.

Basically, a "bigger Muslim" potentate can declare the Sultan's call to jihad un-Islamic and say that he is a false Muslim. We'll end up boosting another Muslim leader's status in the community, which can potentially backfire.

And I just found the Sultan of Sulu's response to the situation. Dunno if he could be considered a "bigger Muslim", especially since he is the vassal of an infidel (me), but that's how he's going to respond. Probably not today, though.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2008-05-12 04:39pm

Coyote wrote:
Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:
Just a reminder, the only nation under Jihad is the LSR. Mangka was warned, Shepnukistan, MESS and OMSK were protested...
I thought Ibrahim extended the Jihad to Shepnukistan as well after Shep condemned the LSR jihad...

The main response from Ibrahim after Shep's condemnation was in this post. The summary of the post was

1. Ibrahim resists Shep's demands of retracting the Jihad on LSR as well as resignation from office.
2. Ibrahim opposes to the use of nuclear weapons, takes a opportunity to bash LSR and Shepnukistan.

I have been conservative in game because I felt that the world wasn't littered with Jihad groups like our world. A call to Jihad against LSR was more like a test of response to the Islamic population, as well as setting up a can of worms waiting to be opened.

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-05-12 05:11pm

Just so things are clear about the meetings with the Sultan, ProTec is having its own meetings with one of his General's while the FUN delegation also has its meetings (aparantly with ProTec assistance.)

Edit: Ignore the above, ProTec just set up the meeting with the General, who set up a meeting with the Sultan for the FUN nations.

If Shepukistan has to take out the Sultan things are liable to get ugly. We already have refugee camps and in Alexander's territory. He has problems feeding his own population sometimes, let alone refugees. Plus we'll likely go back to an era of total choas in the North, which might meen more contracts for ProTec, but is probably worse for my company than good for them.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-05-12 05:14pm

Raj Ahten wrote:Just so things are clear about the meetings with the Sultan, ProTec is having its own meetings with one of his General's while the FUN delegation also has its meetings (aparantly with ProTec assistance.)

If Shepukistan has to take out the Sultan things are liable to get ugly. We already have refugee camps and in Alexander's territory. He has problems feeding his own population sometimes, let alone refugees. Plus we'll likely go back to an era of total choas in the North, which might meen more contracts for ProTec, but is probably worse for my company than good for them.

I was thinking more that ProTec contacted the general, and he then passed the news on to the Sultan ; And then he agreed to meet the delegation in person. This may not have been very clear from my post.

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-05-12 05:27pm

PeZook wrote:
Raj Ahten wrote:Just so things are clear about the meetings with the Sultan, ProTec is having its own meetings with one of his General's while the FUN delegation also has its meetings (aparantly with ProTec assistance.)

If Shepukistan has to take out the Sultan things are liable to get ugly. We already have refugee camps and in Alexander's territory. He has problems feeding his own population sometimes, let alone refugees. Plus we'll likely go back to an era of total choas in the North, which might meen more contracts for ProTec, but is probably worse for my company than good for them.
I was thinking more that ProTec contacted the general, and he then passed the news on to the Sultan ; And then he agreed to meet the delegation in person. This may not have been very clear from my post.

That could work out too. In fact, let us go with that as it would be less confusion all around. We wouldn't want the Sultan getting bombarded with too many diplomats.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-05-12 05:38pm

Re: The Saddamistani Earthquake.

'ERE WE GO 'ERE WE GO 'ERE WE GO...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-05-12 05:39pm

I feel like point out to all your folks shifting around S-300 firing batteries, that a missile of that class cannot stop an ICBM warhead, and that since Saddmistan has rocket launch pads on an island on the far side of the world it can hit even the most closely collocated nations with that sort of weapon.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-05-12 05:42pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:I feel like point out to all your folks shifting around S-300 firing batteries, that a missile of that class cannot stop an ICBM warhead, and that since Saddmistan has rocket launch pads on an island on the far side of the world it can hit even the most closely collocated nations with that sort of weapon.

The LSRN and TXN uses SM-3 equipped AEGIS vessels.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-05-12 05:43pm

Soon Saddamistan will not be the only one sporting such nasties as mustard gas, VX, and botulinum toxin!

Lonestar wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:I feel like point out to all your folks shifting around S-300 firing batteries, that a missile of that class cannot stop an ICBM warhead, and that since Saddmistan has rocket launch pads on an island on the far side of the world it can hit even the most closely collocated nations with that sort of weapon.
The LSRN and TXN uses SM-3 equipped AEGIS vessels.

I should buy some SM-3s for my Alvaro de Bazan frigates, they have the Mk. 41 VLS and the AEGIS system. Though I do have over 300 Patriot missile batteries, so I'm not totally helpless.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-05-12 05:57pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:I feel like point out to all your folks shifting around S-300 firing batteries, that a missile of that class cannot stop an ICBM warhead, and that since Saddmistan has rocket launch pads on an island on the far side of the world it can hit even the most closely collocated nations with that sort of weapon.

Fortunately for me, I actually have heavy ABMs

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-12 05:57pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:I feel like point out to all your folks shifting around S-300 firing batteries, that a missile of that class cannot stop an ICBM warhead, and that since Saddmistan has rocket launch pads on an island on the far side of the world it can hit even the most closely collocated nations with that sort of weapon.

We do have some ABM missiles; about nine batteries of light ASAT weapons were built for UKB, Shepnukistan and Red Technocracy. Enough to complicate your targeting solution.