SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

[Steve]

*cough*

I named it Royal Sovereign for a reason.... my version is called Sovereign. Having two different ship types called Sovereign-class would be... confusing.

[Mr Bean]

*cough*

I named it Royal Sovereign for a reason.... my version is called Sovereign. Having two different ship types called Sovereign-class would be... confusing.

Fine fine, ummm... Eclipse class?

[Steve]

Not sure that's an appropriately British dreadnought name.

You already have Revenge right? How about Relentless? Marina assigned it to an 1898 predread counter-proposal to a design I showed her... which I called Sovereign as well. And I took to it. Though I also upped it to 1900.

Granted, I fully expect us to duplicate names. Cascadia uses the British naming schemes more than she does American really. Not my fault I don't have that many states to pick from and the Brits always have the best names! Seriously, what's more scary? A ship named Rhode Island or a ship named Warspite or Revenge or Terror?

[Mr Bean]

Right I've got a name, the first ship of her name shall be the HMS Hercules of the Hercules Class Battleships.

[Lascaris]

Lascaris, all your designs have insufficient armor. Your armor belt is only 12-14 feet, at the very minimum it should be 15-18. Your gunhouse side armor is only 5-8 inches, it should be at least 12. Furthermore, your deck is not armored fully, which means that shells should have a nice time slipping under the main belt and detonating inside. Probably be better if you have at least 2 inch armor there.

The armor belt is the standard depth Springsharp gives to all designs. This may be underestimated by the programmers but in my experience increasing the depth would very much kill simulating most historical designs. So why should someone go an change from program defaults?

Gunhouse side armor certainly is 5-8 inches. Why it should be 12? Please note that the figure is the average for sides, top and back from the very start of Springsharp. To use an example 2 decades in the future for the Iowas side turret armour was 9.5in and top 7.25. To use a much more contemporary example the South Dacotas had 9in on the sides and 5in on top and back, Bayern similar and the Iron Dukes had 5in armor everywhere but the face of the turret.

For deck armor you might have a point. Might because again IMS Springsharp designers are on record saying to put armor only in the Fore and Aft entry...

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Is it possible to have 21" face plate and turret top armor in this era?

[Thanas]

Lascaris, all your designs have insufficient armor. Your armor belt is only 12-14 feet, at the very minimum it should be 15-18. Your gunhouse side armor is only 5-8 inches, it should be at least 12. Furthermore, your deck is not armored fully, which means that shells should have a nice time slipping under the main belt and detonating inside. Probably be better if you have at least 2 inch armor there.

The armor belt is the standard depth Springsharp gives to all designs. This may be underestimated by the programmers but in my experience increasing the depth would very much kill simulating most historical designs. So why should someone go an change from program defaults?

Springsharp assumes that you also have an upper belt, that covers the remaining ~6 feet. Your designs did away with that without adding any further height to the main belt.

By all means, go ahead with it, just do not complain if ingame your ships are about 60% more likely to sink than others.

Gunhouse side armor certainly is 5-8 inches. Why it should be 12? Please note that the figure is the average for sides, top and back from the very start of Springsharp. To use an example 2 decades in the future for the Iowas side turret armour was 9.5in and top 7.25. To use a much more contemporary example the South Dacotas had 9in on the sides and 5in on top and back, Bayern similar and the Iron Dukes had 5in armor everywhere but the face of the turret.

At this range, it does not protect your turrets from heavy cruiser fire. You should have at least 12 inches. Of course, if you want your ships to be easily sunk, be my guest. I am just trying to help here so that you can prevent your ships getting sunk more often than others and being wastes of steel.

Also, what is your source for the thickness of the SoDak armour?

For deck armor you might have a point. Might because again IMS Springsharp designers are on record saying to put armor only in the Fore and Aft entry...

That is however not the proper way to design a ship AFAIK.

[Lascaris]

Lascaris, all your designs have insufficient armor. Your armor belt is only 12-14 feet, at the very minimum it should be 15-18. Your gunhouse side armor is only 5-8 inches, it should be at least 12. Furthermore, your deck is not armored fully, which means that shells should have a nice time slipping under the main belt and detonating inside. Probably be better if you have at least 2 inch armor there.

The armor belt is the standard depth Springsharp gives to all designs. This may be underestimated by the programmers but in my experience increasing the depth would very much kill simulating most historical designs. So why should someone go an change from program defaults?

Springsharp assumes that you also have an upper belt, that covers the remaining ~6 feet. Your designs did away with that without adding any further height to the main belt.

By all means, go ahead with it, just do not complain if ingame your ships are about 60% more likely to sink than others.

Not quite. Springsharp does not assume you have an upper belt. It gives you the option of an upper belt to allow simulating incremental as opposed to all or nothing armor. Which by the way is a pretty good indicator on why you should not increase the depth of the side belt above what springsharp gives since you end with the pretty absurd situation of a ship with all or nothing armor having to devote more weight than a ship with incremental armor for the same maximum belt thickness.

Gunhouse side armor certainly is 5-8 inches. Why it should be 12? Please note that the figure is the average for sides, top and back from the very start of Springsharp. To use an example 2 decades in the future for the Iowas side turret armour was 9.5in and top 7.25. To use a much more contemporary example the South Dacotas had 9in on the sides and 5in on top and back, Bayern similar and the Iron Dukes had 5in armor everywhere but the face of the turret.

At this range, it does not protect your turrets from heavy cruiser fire. You should have at least 12 inches. Of course, if you want your ships to be easily sunk, be my guest. I am just trying to help here so that you can prevent your ships getting sunk more often than others and being wastes of steel.

Also, what is your source for the thickness of the SoDak armour?

Show me a ship of the era or indeed a WW2 era ship aside from Yamato that had 12in armor on the sides of the turrets. The closes you can go are Nelson and the King George Vs but even there that was the max thickness with the armor varying from 9 to 11in in the case of the Nelson. Also note that while you claim 12in as the minimum necessary this wasn't even reached on most battleship designs. Indeed the only ones I can think going above 11in were Vanguard (13in) and Yamato. For a German example Bismarck had between 5 and 8in armor for the sides and roof.

For deck armor you might have a point. Might because again IMS Springsharp designers are on record saying to put armor only in the Fore and Aft entry...

That is however not the proper way to design a ship AFAIK.

[/quote]

Uhm. Last I had seen springsharp was not a ship design program. It is a reasonably good simulator for warships ships in the 1850-1950 for the purposes of amateurs. It's final product is also accurate enough... at least since you can simulate historical designs reasonably well. But that's about it and you can't even say that individual parts of it are as accurate as the final product is. Take the obvious example that it always takes 10-15% more power than the historical designs to reach the same speeds.

[Raesene]

I'd like to add 10 of those to my OoB to have some light cruisers in 1925...

Metalli-class, Tuscan Kingdom Enter ship type laid down 1918

Oro, Tuscan Kingdom cruiser laid down 1918

Displacement:
5.989 t light; 6.224 t standard; 7.154 t normal; 7.898 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(518,40 ft / 511,81 ft) x 49,21 ft x (19,69 / 21,23 ft)
(158,01 m / 156,00 m) x 15,00 m x (6,00 / 6,47 m)

Armament:
8 - 5,91" / 150 mm 45,0 cal guns - 103,86lbs / 47,11kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 x Single mounts on sides amidships
3 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 22,43lbs / 10,18kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
3 x Single mounts on sides amidships
3 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 898 lbs / 407 kg
8 - 23,6" / 600 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 2,076 t each, 16,609 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,95" / 75 mm 393,70 ft / 120,00 m 11,48 ft / 3,50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 118% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,95" / 75 mm 1,97" / 50 mm -
2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 1,18" / 30 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 1,18" / 30 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 55.953 shp / 41.741 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 7.500nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.675 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
388 - 505

Cost:
£1,096 million / $4,386 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 169 tons, 2,4%
- Guns: 153 tons, 2,1%
- Torpedoes: 17 tons, 0,2%
Armour: 1.019 tons, 14,2%
- Belts: 532 tons, 7,4%
- Armament: 134 tons, 1,9%
- Armour Deck: 344 tons, 4,8%
- Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0,1%
Machinery: 2.115 tons, 29,6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.686 tons, 37,5%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.165 tons, 16,3%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
8.643 lbs / 3.921 Kg = 83,9 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,25
Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m
Roll period: 12,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,25
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,48

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,505 / 0,517
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,40 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22,62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 25,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Aft deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Average freeboard: 19,44 ft / 5,93 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102,4%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,3%
Waterplane Area: 16.859 Square feet or 1.566 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 127%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 89 lbs/sq ft or 434 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,06
- Longitudinal: 2,29
- Overall: 1,14
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Oro, Argento, Rame, Ferro, Cromo, Osmio, Platino, Mercurio, Piombo, Allumino; all in service

and five slighly modified:

Halogeni-class, Tuscan Kingdom Enter ship type laid down 1920

Fluoro, Tuscan Kingdom Enter ship type laid down 1920

Displacement:
6.220 t light; 6.456 t standard; 7.211 t normal; 7.815 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(518,40 ft / 511,81 ft) x 49,21 ft x (19,69 / 20,93 ft)
(158,01 m / 156,00 m) x 15,00 m x (6,00 / 6,38 m)

Armament:
8 - 5,91" / 150 mm 45,0 cal guns - 103,86lbs / 47,11kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
3 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 22,43lbs / 10,18kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
3 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
3 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 898 lbs / 407 kg
12 - 23,6" / 600 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 2,084 t each, 25,010 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,95" / 75 mm 331,36 ft / 101,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,95" / 75 mm 1,97" / 50 mm -
2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 1,18" / 30 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 1,18" / 30 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 56.327 shp / 42.020 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 7.500nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.359 tons

Complement:
390 - 508

Cost:
£1,267 million / $5,068 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 154 tons, 2,1%
- Guns: 129 tons, 1,8%
- Torpedoes: 25 tons, 0,3%
Armour: 980 tons, 13,6%
- Belts: 525 tons, 7,3%
- Armament: 73 tons, 1,0%
- Armour Deck: 373 tons, 5,2%
- Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0,1%
Machinery: 1.969 tons, 27,3%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.041 tons, 42,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 991 tons, 13,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 1,0%
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons
- Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9.506 lbs / 4.312 Kg = 92,3 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m
Roll period: 13,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,33
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,61

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,509 / 0,519
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,40 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22,62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 25,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Aft deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 20,67 ft / 6,30 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95,2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 160,0%
Waterplane Area: 16.921 Square feet or 1.572 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 95 lbs/sq ft or 464 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,12
- Longitudinal: 2,88
- Overall: 1,23
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Fluoro, Cloro, Bromo, Iodo, Astato; all in service


My Naval OoB was too top-heavy (and far away from the tonnage limit), so I added more light cruisers - obejctions ?

[Raesene]

My 1925 program destroyer:

Alcalini e alcalini terrosi, Tuscan Kingdom destroyer laid down 1925

Displacement:
2.840 t light; 2.952 t standard; 3.165 t normal; 3.335 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(433,67 ft / 426,51 ft) x 42,65 ft x (13,12 / 13,63 ft)
(132,18 m / 130,00 m) x 13,00 m x (4,00 / 4,15 m)

Armament:
4 - 5,51" / 140 mm 45,0 cal guns - 90,00lbs / 40,82kg shells, 100 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,25lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1.500 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 485 lbs / 220 kg
8 - 23,6" / 600 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 2,104 t each, 16,833 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,79" / 20 mm -
2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 60.778 shp / 45.341 Kw = 34,00 kts
Range 5.000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 383 tons

Complement:
210 - 274

Cost:
£1,213 million / $4,853 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 88 tons, 2,8%
- Guns: 71 tons, 2,3%
- Torpedoes: 17 tons, 0,5%
Armour: 15 tons, 0,5%
- Armament: 15 tons, 0,5%
Machinery: 1.780 tons, 56,2%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 937 tons, 29,6%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 325 tons, 10,3%
Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0,6%
- On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1.064 lbs / 482 Kg = 12,7 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,60
Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 0,9 m
Roll period: 10,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 44 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,12
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,79

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,464 / 0,471
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20,65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Average freeboard: 15,60 ft / 4,76 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155,6%
Waterplane Area: 11.740 Square feet or 1.091 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 75%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 50 lbs/sq ft or 243 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,68
- Longitudinal: 1,33
- Overall: 0,72
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

12 planned for laying down in Fiscal Year 1925; misc. weight for depth charge racks and throwers (25ts should be enough).
Based it on the French Chacal-class of 1923

[Steve]

On the issue of side/rear/roof turret armor, I've noticed a lot of designs list only 5-7" for such.

[Sea Skimmer]

On the issue of side/rear/roof turret armor, I've noticed a lot of designs list only 5-7" for such.

I gave 12 inches as advice to people who wanted new armor heavy ships on the basis of the protection that will provide wide against 16-18in guns and near total immunity to cruiser caliber rounds at 10,000 yards. A good 8in shell can defeat as much as 10in of armor at that distance if it was to gain a favorable angle relative to the turret arc of train. So 12in protection provides a nice measure of safety in that scenario as the secondary battery may not be effective at much greater distances.

In real ships the primary criteria for how thick the sides and especially the rear plates are was how much weight was necessary for turret balance against the front loaded weight of the guns and faceplates. This often meant the rear plate was thicker then the sides. The roof was governed by how thick deck armor was and how much it was sloped. I’m pretty sure springsharp uses the deck armor thickness for it.

Older ships certainly had less such armor; they also tended to have lots of similar thickness armor all over the hull so it didn’t seem like a liability in the time before anyone had effective APC shells.

[Steve]

3b3 doesn't seem to count deck armor as top turret armor, that's handled by the Other selection for gun armor.

[Sea Skimmer]

Well whatever it still doesn’t matter much. For a new ship a 12 inch average is still perfectly acceptable. The N3 class for example, and a number of the other RN 1920 designs for that matter, had 18in faceplate, 14in sides, 14in rear and an 8in roof. The latter three figures would average out closely enough to 12in.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Any comments?

Sparta, Byzantium Cruiser laid down 1923

Displacement:
15,436 t light; 16,858 t standard; 19,111 t normal; 20,914 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(635.23 ft / 606.96 ft) x 78.74 ft x (29.53 / 31.48 ft)
(193.62 m / 185.00 m) x 24.00 m x (9.00 / 9.59 m)

Armament:
9 - 8.00" / 203 mm 55.0 cal guns - 276.33lbs / 125.34kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1923 Model
3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm 25.0 cal guns - 56.77lbs / 25.75kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1923 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
3 raised mounts
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 2.14lbs / 0.97kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1923 Model
8 x 4-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,237 lbs / 1,468 kg
Main Torpedoes
6 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m torpedoes - 1.906 t each, 11.438 t total
In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
2nd Torpedoes
6 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 484.00 ft / 147.52 m 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 19.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
3.00" / 76 mm 400.00 ft / 121.92 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 50.00 ft / 15.24 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 7.00" / 178 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 94,900 shp / 70,795 Kw = 31.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,055 tons

Complement:
812 - 1,056

Cost:
£3.814 million / $15.257 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 972 tons, 5.1 %
- Guns: 957 tons, 5.0 %
- Weapons: 14 tons, 0.1 %
Armour: 5,910 tons, 30.9 %
- Belts: 2,829 tons, 14.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 444 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 855 tons, 4.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,674 tons, 8.8 %
- Conning Tower: 108 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 3,172 tons, 16.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,346 tons, 28.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,675 tons, 19.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 36 tons, 0.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 36 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
24,173 lbs / 10,965 Kg = 94.4 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 16.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.474 / 0.487
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.71 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 25.00 %, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Aft deck: 30.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 19.85 ft / 6.05 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129.4 %
Waterplane Area: 32,334 Square feet or 3,004 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 635 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.57
- Overall: 1.01
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Thanas]

Take the blücher, add 2000 more tons + 1 8inch gun and then call it Sparta?

More seriously, though, I had a similar design, but decided to keep the Blücher at 15kt. Because the cost of such a ship is so high in construction that it almost approaches that of a small BC, so I decided against it. Obviously, if you got the points to spare, more power to you, but I found it very, very costly.

[Ma Deuce]

*And of course there is the small matter of some players not having shown their ship designs at all*

Fine I'll bite: Getting this shit together is taking far longer than I hoped or thought, but I think I've finally finalized my fleet OOB and will be able to post it very soon, along with my 2Q budget. Anyway,

Gentlemen BEHOLD my dreadnoughts!

Specs are as completed. Total is 15 battleships (including two under construction) and 5 battlecruisers.

HMMS Radama I, Madagascar Battleship laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
14,177 t light; 15,000 t standard; 16,282 t normal; 17,307 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(479.00 ft / 475.72 ft) x 82.02 ft x (23.79 / 25.03 ft)
(146.00 m / 145.00 m) x 25.00 m x (7.25 / 7.63 m)

Armament:
8 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 992.08lbs / 450.00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model
3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread
1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck centre
12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 30.86lbs / 14.00kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 6.06lbs / 2.75kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
6 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 93.5 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model
6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 8,331 lbs / 3,779 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 21.33 ft / 6.50 m torpedoes - 0.970 t each, 1.939 t total
submerged side tubes
2nd Torpedoes
1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 21.33 ft / 6.50 m torpedo - 0.970 t total
submerged stern tube

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 280 mm 295.28 ft / 90.00 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: 3.15" / 80 mm 180.45 ft / 55.00 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Upper: 3.94" / 100 mm 295.28 ft / 90.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
1.57" / 40 mm 295.28 ft / 90.00 m 22.44 ft / 6.84 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 57.41 ft / 17.50 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.15" / 80 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 3.54" / 90 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 27,000 shp / 20,142 Kw = 21.18 kts
Range 3,910nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,307 tons (66% coal)

Complement:
719 - 936

Cost:
£1.353 million / $5.412 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,613 tons, 9.9 %
- Guns: 1,607 tons, 9.9 %
- Weapons: 6 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 6,599 tons, 40.5 %
- Belts: 2,878 tons, 17.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 386 tons, 2.4 %
- Armament: 1,553 tons, 9.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,618 tons, 9.9 %
- Conning Tower: 163 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 1,306 tons, 8.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,659 tons, 28.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,105 tons, 12.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
25,910 lbs / 11,753 Kg = 29.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.24

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.614 / 0.620
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.80 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.81 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forward deck: 45.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Aft deck: 17.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Quarter deck: 18.00 %, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.24 ft / 4.95 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.1 %
Waterplane Area: 28,913 Square feet or 2,686 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 150 lbs/sq ft or 731 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.71
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Madagascar's first class of dreadnoughts, consisting of two ships (Radama I, Andrianampoinimerina). 15,000 tons standard. Built in Britain By Armstrong-Whitworth to Malagasy specs, they are conceptually a cut-down version of HMS Neptune, with the the midships "en-echelon" turrets replaced by a single centerline mount for a main battery of 8 guns. Guns are 12 inch/45s, based on the British Mark X, but modified to fire a heavier shell at a lower velocity. Secondary guns are locally manufactured 10cm/50, in place of the standard British 4-inch. By 1925 these ships are growing increasingly obsolescent, and their days as frontline capital ships are numbered

HMMS Andriamanjaka, Royal Merina Navy Battleship laid down 1910 (Engine 1911)

Displacement:
18,920 t light; 20,000 t standard; 22,019 t normal; 23,634 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(531.68 ft / 524.93 ft) x 88.58 ft x (27.85 / 29.52 ft)
(162.06 m / 160.00 m) x 27.00 m x (8.49 / 9.00 m)

Armament:
10 - 12.01" / 305 mm 50.0 cal guns - 992.08lbs / 450.00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck aft
16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 30.86lbs / 14.00kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1910 Model
16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
16 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 6.06lbs / 2.75kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
4 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
6 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 93.5 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 10,439 lbs / 4,735 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 19.7" / 500 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedoes - 1.274 t each, 2.547 t total
submerged side tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 19.7" / 500 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedoes - 1.274 t each, 2.547 t total
submerged bow & stern tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 311.68 ft / 95.00 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: 3.54" / 90 mm 213.25 ft / 65.00 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Upper: 3.54" / 90 mm 311.68 ft / 95.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
1.18" / 30 mm 311.68 ft / 95.00 m 26.21 ft / 7.99 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 65.62 ft / 20.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 3.94" / 100 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 30,000 shp / 22,380 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 5,843nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,634 tons (66% coal)

Complement:
903 - 1,174

Cost:
£1.823 million / $7.292 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,341 tons, 10.6 %
- Guns: 2,331 tons, 10.6 %
- Weapons: 10 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 8,451 tons, 38.4 %
- Belts: 3,273 tons, 14.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 357 tons, 1.6 %
- Armament: 2,558 tons, 11.6 %
- Armour Deck: 2,063 tons, 9.4 %
- Conning Tower: 200 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1,295 tons, 5.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,783 tons, 30.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,099 tons, 14.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.2 %
- Hull below water: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
37,358 lbs / 16,945 Kg = 43.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 16.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.595 / 0.603
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.93 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -2.00 ft / -0.61 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 23.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Forward deck: 48.20 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Aft deck: 11.50 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarter deck: 17.30 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.13 ft / 6.14 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150.4 %
Waterplane Area: 33,851 Square feet or 3,145 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 173 lbs/sq ft or 845 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.93
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Madagascar's second class of dreadnoughts, three ships (Andriamanjaka [Monarch], Rasoherina, Ranavolona II), 20,000 tons standard. Loosely based on design of Orion class, but with 12in/50s instead of 13.5in, and secondaries mounted in hull casemates. First ship built in Britain, remaining units in Malagasy yards at the same time under British supervision.

HMMS Sahisahy, Royal Merina Navy Battlecruiser laid down 1911 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
24,879 t light; 25,999 t standard; 29,589 t normal; 32,461 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(705.57 ft / 698.82 ft) x 90.22 ft x (27.89 / 30.09 ft)
(215.06 m / 213.00 m) x 27.50 m x (8.50 / 9.17 m)

Armament:
8 - 12.01" / 305 mm 50.0 cal guns - 992.08lbs / 450.00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 30.86lbs / 14.00kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1911 Model
16 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
16 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 3.15" / 80.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 15.43lbs / 7.00kg shells, 300 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
6 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 93.5 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 300 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 8,461 lbs / 3,838 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 19.7" / 500 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedoes - 1.278 t each, 2.555 t total
submerged side tubes
2nd Torpedoes
1 - 19.7" / 500 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedo - 1.278 t total
submerged stern tube

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 280 mm 426.51 ft / 130.00 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 272.31 ft / 83.00 m 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
1.18" / 30 mm 426.51 ft / 130.00 m 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 73.82 ft / 22.50 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm 2.95" / 75 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 3.94" / 100 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 107,238 shp / 80,000 Kw = 28.68 kts
Range 9,200nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 6,462 tons (66% coal)

Complement:
1,127 - 1,466

Cost:
£2.298 million / $9.190 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,895 tons, 6.4 %
- Guns: 1,888 tons, 6.4 %
- Weapons: 8 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 9,090 tons, 30.7 %
- Belts: 3,273 tons, 11.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 489 tons, 1.7 %
- Armament: 2,201 tons, 7.4 %
- Armour Deck: 2,883 tons, 9.7 %
- Conning Tower: 243 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 4,549 tons, 15.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,320 tons, 31.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,710 tons, 15.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull above water: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
42,008 lbs / 19,054 Kg = 48.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 16.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.589 / 0.599
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.75 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.44 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -2.00 ft / -0.61 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 27.89 ft / 8.50 m, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forward deck: 45.00 %, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Aft deck: 20.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 22.93 ft / 6.99 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 179.1 %
Waterplane Area: 45,641 Square feet or 4,240 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 795 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.29
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Madagascar's first battlecruiser, 26,000 tons standard; built in Britain to Madagascar's specification, which included heavy armor protection contrary to standard British practice due to the Merina Navy's requirement that it be able to stand in the battleline due to their limited number of capital ships. Controversially, armor was concentrated over vital areas to save weight, dispensing with incremental armor, a practice adopted in all of Madagascar's later dreadnoughts. Was the largest warship in Madagascar's navy on completion, and one of the fastest dreadnoughts in the world at nearly 29 knots

HMMS Andriambe, Royal Merina Navy Battleship laid down 1913 (Engine 1914)

Displacement:
26,361 t light; 28,000 t standard; 29,988 t normal; 31,579 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(597.11 ft / 590.55 ft) x 98.43 ft x (27.95 / 29.21 ft)
(182.00 m / 180.00 m) x 30.00 m x (8.52 / 8.90 m)

Armament:
10 - 13.78" / 350 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,499.14lbs / 680.00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1913 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck aft
16 - 5.51" / 140 mm 50.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1913 Model
16 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
16 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 3.15" / 80.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 15.43lbs / 7.00kg shells, 300 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 93.5 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model
6 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
Weight of broadside 16,464 lbs / 7,468 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 21.7" / 550 mm, 24.61 ft / 7.50 m torpedoes - 1.639 t each, 6.557 t total
submerged side tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 360.89 ft / 110.00 m 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ends: 1.77" / 45 mm 229.63 ft / 69.99 m 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
1.57" / 40 mm 360.89 ft / 110.00 m 26.80 ft / 8.17 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 72.18 ft / 22.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.7" / 400 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 14.8" / 375 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.94" / 100 mm -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.51" / 140 mm
Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 14.76" / 375 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 43,000 shp / 32,078 Kw = 22.02 kts
Range 5,580nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,579 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
1,139 - 1,481

Cost:
£2.699 million / $10.796 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,055 tons, 10.2 %
- Guns: 3,042 tons, 10.1 %
- Weapons: 13 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 12,193 tons, 40.7 %
- Belts: 3,917 tons, 13.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 564 tons, 1.9 %
- Armament: 3,633 tons, 12.1 %
- Armour Deck: 3,773 tons, 12.6 %
- Conning Tower: 307 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 1,735 tons, 5.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,328 tons, 31.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,628 tons, 12.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.2 %
- Hull below water: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
48,102 lbs / 21,819 Kg = 36.8 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 6.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 6.2 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 16.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.76
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.646 / 0.651
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.30 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 22.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Forward deck: 38.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Aft deck: 22.70 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarter deck: 17.30 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 19.03 ft / 5.80 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143.1 %
Waterplane Area: 44,364 Square feet or 4,122 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 192 lbs/sq ft or 939 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.49
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Third class of dreadnought battleships, first to be built entirely in Madagascar, though with continued British assistance. Consists of four ships (HMMS Andriambe [Sovereign], Radama II, Bakalanisahala [Incomparable], Tabiha [Splendour]) Essentially enlarged from Andriamanjaka-class, main armament is 10 x 35cm/45 (13.8in), based on Vickers 14-inch. Citadel armor protection increased dramatically, especially deck armor, to protect against plunging fire at increased battle ranges, while incremental armor was reduced, following the pattern of Madagascar's first battlecruiser. Secondary guns enlarged to 14cm/50, in light of the increasing size of destroyers and newer longer ranged torpedoes. First class to incorporate AA guns by design

HMMS Laza, Royal Merina Navy Battlecruiser laid down 1914 (Engine 1915)

Displacement:
31,963 t light; 33,500 t standard; 37,630 t normal; 40,933 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(761.15 ft / 757.87 ft) x 98.43 ft x (28.48 / 30.56 ft)
(232.00 m / 231.00 m) x 30.00 m x (8.68 / 9.31 m)

Armament:
8 - 13.78" / 350 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,499.14lbs / 680.00kg shells, 95 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 50.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 240 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1914 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 3.15" / 80.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 15.43lbs / 7.00kg shells, 300 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
6 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 93.5 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 13,113 lbs / 5,948 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 21.7" / 550 mm, 24.61 ft / 7.50 m torpedoes - 1.643 t each, 3.287 t total
submerged side tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 459.32 ft / 140.00 m 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 246.06 ft / 75.00 m 15.58 ft / 4.75 m
52.49 ft / 16.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
1.57" / 40 mm 360.89 ft / 110.00 m 27.56 ft / 8.40 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 74.64 ft / 22.75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 12.6" / 320 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm 2.95" / 75 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.00" / 127 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 13.78" / 350 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 128,500 shp / 95,861 Kw = 29.01 kts
Range 9,275nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 7,433 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
1,350 - 1,756

Cost:
£3.661 million / $14.643 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,429 tons, 6.5 %
- Guns: 2,422 tons, 6.4 %
- Weapons: 7 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 11,962 tons, 31.8 %
- Belts: 3,873 tons, 10.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 580 tons, 1.5 %
- Armament: 2,770 tons, 7.4 %
- Armour Deck: 4,405 tons, 11.7 %
- Conning Tower: 333 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 5,099 tons, 13.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,448 tons, 33.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,667 tons, 15.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull below water: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
57,185 lbs / 25,939 Kg = 43.7 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 6.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 6.1 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 16.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.620 / 0.629
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.70 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.53 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 6.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -4.92 ft / -1.50 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 31.17 ft / 9.50 m, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forward deck: 51.00 %, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Aft deck: 14.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Average freeboard: 23.91 ft / 7.29 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 189.2 %
Waterplane Area: 55,583 Square feet or 5,164 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 182 lbs/sq ft or 889 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.21
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Madagascar's second and third battlecruiser (Laza [Honour], Haromotana [Rage]), 33,500 tons standard. Both built in Madagascar with British assistance, armed with eight of the same 35 cm guns as the contemporary Andriambe-class battleships, but were equipped with the new 55cm torpedo. In the Royal Merina Navy's practice, were sufficiently protected to stand in the battleline, and were the largest ships in the Navy upon completion. Capable of exceeding 29 knots

HMMS Fandresena, Merina Royal Navy Battleship laid down 1916 (Engine 1917)

Displacement:
30,618 t light; 32,499 t standard; 34,561 t normal; 36,210 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(633.35 ft / 629.92 ft) x 98.43 ft (Bulges 104.99 ft) x (28.31 / 29.53 ft)
(193.04 m / 192.00 m) x 30.00 m (Bulges 32.00 m) x (8.63 / 9.00 m)

Armament:
8 - 15.75" / 400 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2,204.62lbs / 1,000.00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1916 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 5.51" / 140 mm 50.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 240 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1916 Model
16 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
16 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 30.86lbs / 14.00kg shells, 300 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 90.0 cal guns - 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 2,500 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model
8 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 19,172 lbs / 8,696 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 377.30 ft / 115.00 m 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
Ends: 1.77" / 45 mm 252.62 ft / 77.00 m 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
2.95" / 75 mm 377.30 ft / 115.00 m 27.10 ft / 8.26 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 68.90 ft / 21.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 17.7" / 450 mm 9.45" / 240 mm 15.0" / 380 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm 2.95" / 75 mm 2.95" / 75 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.91" / 150 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 15.75" / 400 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 43,000 shp / 32,078 Kw = 21.62 kts
Range 5,010nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,711 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
1,266 - 1,647

Cost:
£4.669 million / $18.677 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,433 tons, 9.9 %
- Guns: 3,433 tons, 9.9 %
Armour: 13,358 tons, 38.7 %
- Belts: 3,920 tons, 11.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,117 tons, 3.2 %
- Armament: 3,694 tons, 10.7 %
- Armour Deck: 4,267 tons, 12.3 %
- Conning Tower: 360 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 1,651 tons, 4.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,126 tons, 35.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,943 tons, 11.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.1 %
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
56,293 lbs / 25,534 Kg = 28.8 x 15.7 " / 400 mm shells or 11.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 6.4 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 17.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.34

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.646 / 0.649
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.10 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 23.00 %, 27.89 ft / 8.50 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Forward deck: 35.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Aft deck: 24.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarter deck: 18.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m
- Average freeboard: 19.40 ft / 5.91 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135.0 %
Waterplane Area: 47,322 Square feet or 4,396 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 212 lbs/sq ft or 1,036 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.39
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Fourth class of dreadnoughts, and latest currently in service: 32,500 tons standard. Four units (Fandresena [Victory], Baibo [Headstrong], Miangiangy [Arrogant], Fahafahana [Liberty]). Armed with eight 40 cm/45 guns; the first large-caliber guns designed entirely in Madagascar. Belt armor was not increased from previous class, due to limitations of Madagascar's industry in fabricated large face-hardened plates, however deck and gun mount armor was increased, as well as torpedo protection, which utilized the first multiple-bulkhead system on a Malagasy dreadnought. Also the first class to dispense with torpedo tubes, the first fitted with electric drive, and the first designed to carry spotting planes. Often called the "revolution class", as the expense of producing these ships is often considered the final tipping point leading to Madagascar's communist revolution, which delayed completion of these ships by nearly two years. Fourth unit renamed in honor of Madagascar's sweeping social reforms following the failed revolution

HMMS Vailfaty, Merina Royal Navy Battlecruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1918)

Displacement:
40,915 t light; 43,000 t standard; 46,587 t normal; 49,456 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(866.15 ft / 853.02 ft) x 98.43 ft (Bulges 104.99 ft) x (30.81 / 32.46 ft)
(264.00 m / 260.00 m) x 30.00 m (Bulges 32.00 m) x (9.39 / 9.89 m)

Armament:
8 - 15.75" / 400 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2,204.62lbs / 1,000.00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1917 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 50.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 240 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1917 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
6 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 30.86lbs / 14.00kg shells, 300 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 90.0 cal guns - 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 3,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1917 Model
8 x 2 row octuple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 18,881 lbs / 8,564 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 508.53 ft / 155.00 m 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 344.49 ft / 105.00 m 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 15.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
1.97" / 50 mm 508.53 ft / 155.00 m 28.94 ft / 8.82 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 78.74 ft / 24.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.7" / 400 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 13.8" / 350 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.91" / 150 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 14.96" / 380 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 158,000 shp / 117,868 Kw = 30.03 kts
Range 9,068nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 6,456 tons

Complement:
1,585 - 2,061

Cost:
£6.846 million / $27.385 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,379 tons, 7.3 %
- Guns: 3,379 tons, 7.3 %
Armour: 14,904 tons, 32.0 %
- Belts: 4,336 tons, 9.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,072 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 3,563 tons, 7.6 %
- Armour Deck: 5,516 tons, 11.8 %
- Conning Tower: 417 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 5,700 tons, 12.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,858 tons, 36.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,671 tons, 12.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 75 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
65,767 lbs / 29,831 Kg = 33.7 x 15.7 " / 400 mm shells or 9.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 6.1 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 17.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.76
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.591 / 0.596
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.13 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -4.00 ft / -1.22 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 23.40 %, 36.09 ft / 11.00 m, 28.41 ft / 8.66 m
- Forward deck: 40.60 %, 28.41 ft / 8.66 m, 25.92 ft / 7.90 m
- Aft deck: 19.00 %, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Quarter deck: 17.00 %, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Average freeboard: 24.18 ft / 7.37 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172.2 %
Waterplane Area: 60,891 Square feet or 5,657 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 206 lbs/sq ft or 1,008 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.07
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Madagascar's latest class of battlecruisers, and the largest warships in the navy. Class consists of two ships (Valifaty [Vengeance], Voninahitra [Glory]), 43,000 tons standard, capable of exceeding 30 knots. Main battery is the same as the contemporary Fandresena-class battleships. Armor is somewhat thinner, though in a first for Merina Navy capital ships, the main belt is inclined inward to increase protection. Carries three spotting planes by design. Also Madagascar's first capital ship to be fueled entirely by oil. Like their battleship contemporaries, the expense of the building program that produced these ships is considered the tipping point for Madagascar's communist revolution

BB 1926, Royal Merina Navy Battleship laid down 1923 (Engine 1924)

Displacement:
42,348 t light; 45,000 t standard; 47,046 t normal; 48,683 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(697.05 ft / 688.98 ft) x 108.27 ft (Bulges 114.83 ft) x (31.82 / 32.82 ft)
(212.46 m / 210.00 m) x 33.00 m (Bulges 35.00 m) x (9.70 / 10.00 m)

Armament:
12 - 15.75" / 400 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2,204.62lbs / 1,000.00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1923 Model
4 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 5.51" / 140 mm 50.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 240 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1923 Model
8 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 30.86lbs / 14.00kg shells, 360 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1923 Model
4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
12 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 90.0 cal guns - 0.12lbs / 0.05kg shells, 5,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1923 Model
6 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 28,115 lbs / 12,753 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 406.82 ft / 124.00 m 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 282.15 ft / 86.00 m 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 20.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
2.95" / 75 mm 406.82 ft / 124.00 m 30.58 ft / 9.32 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 80.38 ft / 24.50 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 17.7" / 450 mm 11.0" / 280 mm 15.7" / 400 mm
2nd: 2.95" / 75 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 6.89" / 175 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 15.75" / 400 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 64,150 shp / 47,856 Kw = 23.00 kts
Range 5,442nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,683 tons

Complement:
1,596 - 2,076

Cost:
£12.098 million / $48.391 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 5,109 tons, 10.9 %
- Guns: 5,109 tons, 10.9 %
Armour: 18,048 tons, 38.4 %
- Belts: 4,842 tons, 10.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,359 tons, 2.9 %
- Armament: 5,411 tons, 11.5 %
- Armour Deck: 5,993 tons, 12.7 %
- Conning Tower: 442 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,113 tons, 4.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,978 tons, 36.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,698 tons, 10.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
70,066 lbs / 31,781 Kg = 35.9 x 15.7 " / 400 mm shells or 12.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 18.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.87
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.35

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.654 / 0.656
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.76 ft / 0.84 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 26.00 %, 30.18 ft / 9.20 m, 22.64 ft / 6.90 m
- Forward deck: 22.00 %, 22.64 ft / 6.90 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Aft deck: 37.00 %, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 22.39 ft / 6.82 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145.8 %
Waterplane Area: 57,353 Square feet or 5,328 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 243 lbs/sq ft or 1,188 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.50
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Madagascar's next class of dreadnoughts, the first capital ships laid down since the revolution. They have a designed displacement of 45,000 tons standard. Currently under construction, scheduled to be completed late 1926. Two units yet unnamed, intended to replace Radama I-class in battleline. Main battery is twelve 40cm/45. Secondary battery contained entirely in enclosed, weatherproof mountings. Main belt no thinker than previous classes, though now mounted internally and inclined for increased protection. Madagascar's first dreadnought with flush deck. Speed increased over previous classes, to outrun the surface speed of the newest classes of submarines

Light Cruisers will follow shortly.

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Two of the submarines that the Bolivarian Union recently commissioned are of the experimental Type X1a variety.
These submarines are patterned on the British X1 submarine (which was further based on the German U173 design), except that the X1a is not patterned as a surface commerce raider, but rather as a conventional torpedo submarine - the Bolivarian Navy never had a doctrine for surface raiding.

The submarines are modeled on the hull of the X1, which had good underwater handling characteristics, but the X1a lacks the four 5-inch guns in their two turrets, along with the shell stowage and complex loading mechanism. Instead, the torpedo room is enlarged, allowing for four reloads for the six 21-inch torpedo tubes. The torpedo room is much more spacious than on the X1 design, allowing for greater and faster reloads. The submarine's surface armament consists of a single U-boat-style 4-inch gun and two dual .30 caliber anti-aircraft machine guns.

Due to the absence of the twin turrets and associated mechanisms, the interior of the submarine is less cramped than the X1. However, there remain problems with the machinery, though with greater available room and less stringent requirements, the mechanical difficulties are not as great as that of the X1. The X1a launched in 1924, but has been conducting extensive fitting out and trials and has not yet been officially commissioned. There are still technical issues (gear failures) being worked out.

A second class based on the X1a, the X2, was laid down in January. With greater streamlining, and an improved layout based on the experience of the X1a, the X2 will have a slightly-higher surface and submerged speed, and it will be rated for the maximum depth that the X1 was originally intended for. However, because it is increasingly streamlined for underwater operations, the maximum range is reduced compared to the X1a.

Type X1a


(Note: The X1 submarine upon which the X1a is based)

6 X 21-inch torpedo tubes with 4 reloads, (or 18 torpedoes and 12 mines)
[ample room for reloading - torpedo room is twice the size that it is on the HMS X1]
1 4-inch deck gun
2 dual .30 caliber AA guns

Complement - 62

Speed: 19.5 knots (36.1 km/h) surfaced
10 knots submerged
Range: 14,500 nautical miles (26,900 km) surfaced
Endurance: Surfaced: 12,400 nmi (23,000 km; 14,300 mi) at 12 kn (22 km/h; 14 mph), 18,700 nmi (34,600 km; 21,500 mi) at 8 kn (15 km/h; 9.2 mph)
Submerged: 50 nmi (93 km; 58 mi) at 4 kn (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph)

Test depth: 350 ft (110 m)

Type X2

6 X 21-inch or 4 X 24-inch torpedo tubes with 4 reloads
[torpedo room designed for handling of large torpedoes]
1 4-inch deck gun
2 dual .30 caliber AA guns

Complement - 62

Speed: 20 knots surfaced
11 knots submerged
Range: 12,500 nautical miles surfaced
Endurance: Surfaced: 10,400 nmi at 12 kn (22 km/h; 14 mph), 16,700 nmi at 8 kn (15 km/h; 9.2 mph)
Submerged: 100 nmi at 4 kn (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph)

Test depth: (150 m)

[Minister of Pigeonry]

Is this reasonable?

Personally, I think it seems fine. I've got my own C2 class which is around 2.1kt and similar in performance, though, a shorter range by 4.5knms/2.5knms. It only sports four forward tubes/two stern tubes and is a bit slower overall, but has better submerged performance then your X2.

[Evincer]

Yes, I think in the case of the Bolivarian Union, a specialized new underwater hunter-killer design will be necessary in order to improve underwater performance.

[Raesene]

For Q2/1925, I plan to lay down a few submarines similar to Surcouf.

and, delayed, the springsharp of my new battleship class laid dwon in Q1/1925

Patria, Tuscan Kingdom Battleship laid down 1925

Displacement:
47.456 t light; 49.974 t standard; 54.258 t normal; 57.686 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(828,56 ft / 820,21 ft) x 118,11 ft x (32,81 / 34,44 ft)
(252,55 m / 250,00 m) x 36,00 m x (10,00 / 10,50 m)

Armament:
10 - 15,75" / 400 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2.204,62lbs / 1.000,00kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1923 Model
2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
16 - 5,51" / 140 mm 45,0 cal guns - 84,44lbs / 38,30kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1925 Model
8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
10 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,07lbs / 15,00kg shells, 200 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1923 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
10 raised mounts
32 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2,20lbs / 1,00kg shells, 1.500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
10 raised mounts
6 x Single mounts on sides amidships
6 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 23.799 lbs / 10.795 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 533,14 ft / 162,50 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,57" / 40 mm 533,14 ft / 162,50 m 31,00 ft / 9,45 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 17,7" / 450 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 17,7" / 450 mm
2nd: 1,97" / 50 mm 1,57" / 40 mm -
3rd: 1,18" / 30 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 5,91" / 150 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 3,94" / 100 mm Quarter deck: 3,94" / 100 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 5,91" / 150 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 78.843 shp / 58.817 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 12.000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 7.712 tons

Complement:
1.776 - 2.310

Cost:
£13,097 million / $52,389 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4.353 tons, 8,0%
Armour: 19.019 tons, 35,1%
- Belts: 5.227 tons, 9,6%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 963 tons, 1,8%
- Armament: 5.040 tons, 9,3%
- Armour Deck: 7.607 tons, 14,0%
- Conning Tower: 182 tons, 0,3%
Machinery: 2.560 tons, 4,7%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 21.424 tons, 39,5%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.803 tons, 12,5%
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,2%
- Hull above water: 25 tons
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons
- Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
108.332 lbs / 49.139 Kg = 55,5 x 15,7 " / 400 mm shells or 19,9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
Metacentric height 7,5 ft / 2,3 m
Roll period: 18,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 90 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,81
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,48

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,598 / 0,605
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,94 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33,31 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 31,17 ft / 9,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Average freeboard: 24,06 ft / 7,34 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 59,8%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 184,4%
Waterplane Area: 73.668 Square feet or 6.844 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 126%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 242 lbs/sq ft or 1.181 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,07
- Longitudinal: 1,49
- Overall: 1,10
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Again, space and weight is reserved for three floatplanes and corresponding equipment.

Three planned: Patria, Guinea and Africa
Patria and Guinea laid down in Q1 1925, Africa to follow after completion of Oceano in Hobarto

I stayed with the twins superfiring triples arrangement, and the large separation oif the individual turrets, similar to Carraciolo. Secondary artillery is considerable with 4 twins per side, that's a design tribute to the losses to torpedo boat attacks during the Austro-Italian war.
A successor design of about 65 000 to 70 000 ts is on the drawing board, but first I have to enlarge my shipyards and find out wether these will fit through the Mesoamerican Canal and the Suez channel.

EDIT: revised the design. Now she's a 1 kt slower at full speed, but carries a wider, but thinner armour belt.

[CmdrWilkens]

Below is what I plan to be my primary Fast Battleship, let me know if something seems odd:

newer version

[Steve]

Yeah. That's not a Fast Battleship: that's a Standard. Fast Battleship would be something in the neighborhood of 30 knots.

[Beowulf]

Might not even have to make it to 30. 27 knots is still a fast battleship. 23 knots is definitely a regular battleship though.

[Steve]

Heh, I probably could save a bit of tonnage on Defiant if I lowered her engine speed from the current 31+ knots with 194,000hp total engine power.