SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK II

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-04-24 04:28pm

MKSheppard wrote:Why do we want nukes? Because they're fun.

And you're surprised my character would be worried over you having a Big Red Button?

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-04-24 04:31pm

Goddamnit. Shep has nukes now.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-04-24 04:32pm

Coyote wrote:I was thinking that a lot of the pirates --those who are not just independents-- are probably coming from Libertopia, securing finances for warlord factions.

As far as geography goes both the Lord and the Sultan have access to sufficiently big enough ships for Pirates. There is also Saddaimstan with it's large anti-everyone else bias. Plus the occasional home-grown Pirates from any criminals in any nation.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-24 04:44pm

MKSheppard wrote:Why do we want nukes? Because they're fun.

Well, unless you're the one running around a nuclear test site in MOPP gear "Proving the Army's ability to operate on a thermonuclear battlefield".

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-04-24 04:47pm

PeZook wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:Why do we want nukes? Because they're fun.
Well, unless you're the one running around a nuclear test site in MOPP gear "Proving the Army's ability to operate on a thermonuclear battlefield".

I would not put it past shep, if you replace MOPP with "Walking Nuclear Battletank"

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-04-24 05:28pm

So, WRT the ICSA agreement, do I build my own FCS's, or do I still wait for the ones I ordered earlier?

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-04-24 05:30pm

Coyote wrote:So, WRT the ICSA agreement, do I build my own FCS's, or do I still wait for the ones I ordered earlier?

I believe you can build your own. Just let PeZook know so he can keep the list updated.

NOTE: You can build about 26 FCSs at a L4 Nation's capacity, going by the rough guide PeZook made earlier. I don't know if you really put any major money into expanding that though.

Actually, now that I remember, it's really more like 26, though that's pretty much all of your base-line shipbuilding capability for however long it takes if I remember right.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-04-24 05:52pm

We need a simple, quick-reference chart for basic shipbuilding times. Something that delineates that a L1 nation has "X" number of slips for building and can only build up to a certain length/tonnage..
L2 nations have twice that...
L3 nations 3 times that...
L4... and so on...

Perhaps by length, or tonnage.

Freighters
Tankers
Cruise Liners

and a seperate list for warships--
Corvette/Patrol Boats
Frigates
Destroyers
Cruisers (nuclear powered: x2 cost/build)
Battle Cruisers (nuclear powered: x2 cost/build)
Battleships (if we decided to build them, eh) (nuclear powered: x2 cost/build)
Carriers (nuclear powered: x2 cost/build)

Submarines, SSK
Submarines, SSN
Submarines, SSBN

That sort of thing.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-04-24 07:37pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Coyote wrote:I was thinking that a lot of the pirates --those who are not just independents-- are probably coming from Libertopia, securing finances for warlord factions.
As far as geography goes both the Lord and the Sultan have access to sufficiently big enough ships for Pirates. There is also Saddaimstan with it's large anti-everyone else bias. Plus the occasional home-grown Pirates from any criminals in any nation.

like say my "Norse Fundamentalists"?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-04-24 08:43pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:
Coyote wrote:I was thinking that a lot of the pirates --those who are not just independents-- are probably coming from Libertopia, securing finances for warlord factions.
As far as geography goes both the Lord and the Sultan have access to sufficiently big enough ships for Pirates. There is also Saddaimstan with it's large anti-everyone else bias. Plus the occasional home-grown Pirates from any criminals in any nation.
like say my "Norse Fundamentalists"?

If your helmet has horns on it, then they might be a Modern Viking

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-24 09:36pm

The nuclear test was conducted in full compliance with the Security Council's decision.

It was the finishing of a programme that started back in the day, and Shep came around some pretty uncanny solutions to get the nuclear material and speed the program up.

PS If a nation really objects to vinicity tests, we can use some other place as a poligon. We just used the most convenient one at the moment.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-04-24 09:38pm

Stas Bush wrote:The nuclear test was conducted in full compliance with the Security Council's decision.

It was the finishing of a programme that started back in the day, and Shep came around some pretty uncanny solutions to get the nuclear material and speed the program up.

No he didn't. I gave him the idea when he asked where I was getting my material.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-24 09:40pm

Lonestar wrote:No he didn't. I gave him the idea when he asked where I was getting my material.

Nice. Thanks for sharing the nukyular secrets!

*ponders* We should give you some type of OMSK award then. "Industrial secret help" or the like

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-04-24 09:41pm

Actually, we both came up with the idea independently.

The fruits of an edjumacation knowing that the fuel in naval reactor cores is very highly enriched.

Stas can check his PMs; because I informed him of the SSN scrapping to get their HEU on 8 April (Our time)

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-24 09:43pm

Yeah, that was pretty early. I didn't know you communicated with Lonestar at all about it, Shep! *suspicious* Hahaha.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-25 01:19am

Coyote wrote:We need a simple, quick-reference chart for basic shipbuilding times. Something that delineates that a L1 nation has "X" number of slips for building and can only build up to a certain length/tonnage..
L2 nations have twice that...
L3 nations 3 times that...
L4... and so on...

Perhaps by length, or tonnage.

Freighters
Tankers
Cruise Liners

and a seperate list for warships--
Corvette/Patrol Boats
Frigates
Destroyers
Cruisers (nuclear powered: x2 cost/build)
Battle Cruisers (nuclear powered: x2 cost/build)
Battleships (if we decided to build them, eh) (nuclear powered: x2 cost/build)
Carriers (nuclear powered: x2 cost/build)

Submarines, SSK
Submarines, SSN
Submarines, SSBN

That sort of thing.

I'll be crafting something like that for FY2010 - it will make accepting new ISCA members easier

As for the construction: You can now order FCS at-cost from the ISCA, and I'll spread the production orders around. In fact, I will have to enter the profit kickback into FY2009 budget, because you were included as an "outside buyer" - so you paid for ships with a profit margin

I'll post a preliminary shipbuilding guide some time on the weekend, I think

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-25 01:35am

Okay, time to move our international relations forward to a more radical proposal.

FREE OMSK CITIZEN RESIDENCE

This proposal allows any citizen of the OMSK nation to reside in another OMSK nation, should he be so willing.

Instead of "free trade" agreements, we propose a "free people's movement" agreement.

The project does not mean naturalization and citizenship rules do not apply - moving persons are not granted citizenship unless complying for determined number of years with naturalization rules of the host country - but it calls for Visa-less travel for all OMSK nations and no limits on terms of residence.

As this proposal touches not only the military side of OMSK cooperation, and in fact is a serious decision on behalf of every nation, all OMSK nations are to take part in the dicsussion.

It will be approved only in case over 50% of nations in OMSK vote in favour of abolishing Visas and instituting Free Transfer.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-04-25 02:03am

Byzantium approves of the new visa agreement. Byzantium however would like to know about taxation agreements, especially if its citizens park money in another OMSK country.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-25 02:16am

No free movement of capitals is allowed to prevent capital flight ruining the countries.

As we said, this is not a freetrade agreement but a travel-and-reside agreement. All customs restrictions on money smuggling, etc apply to persons transferring to another OMSK nation.

We acknowledge the difference in economic and social systems of member countries either, and that is why the transferring person is still not entitled to the citizen benefits each country may provide.

Taxation of a citizen with a work invitation/permit, i.e. someone who is not a tourist, will be ran according to the laws of the nation where he resides at the moment. Movement of capitals remains restricted quite obviously.

This is mainly directed at common people, the workers and middle class, to share work experiences, possibly cooperate on multinational projects more freely and with less red tape. Engineers will face the least restrictions when moving from country to country as there's a large number of joint engineering projects requiring personnel.

The proposal makes sense in my view.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-25 02:27am

Beowulf, please do tell me how a M10 wind pipe is the "first in the world" hypersound pipe, when even in the late XX century TSAGI had 20 Mach windpipes (T-116 and T-117). That sounds way off.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-25 02:55am

Stas Bush wrote:Beowulf, please do tell me how a M10 wind pipe is the "first in the world" hypersound pipe, when even in the late XX century TSAGI had 20 Mach windpipes (T-116 and T-117). That sounds way off.

Technically it is, because nobody here has one

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-25 03:39am

That's impossible. The first hypersonic wind tubes with greater than M=5 number and relatively high Reynolds number were created in the 1970s and a lot of the tech we use now that we consider "end XX century" would be impossible without using those very tubes.

If Beowulf has Boeign's industrial ifrastructure, then sure as hell he already has hypertubes.

I don't understand how the hell is he launching rockets either. Hypersonic tubes were crucial to both Soviet and NASA space program and the vehicles woudl go nowhere without them.

Seriously, those tubes are already part ofthe infrastructure, or all those rockets, missiles, planes and spacecraft are gone, and many composites in modern war machinery and even general chemical industry are gone.

What the hell is that, a throwback to 1950s, when the first hypersonic tonnels were made?

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-25 03:43am

Stas Bush wrote:That's impossible. The first hypersonic wind tubes were created in the 1970s and a lot of the tech we use now that we consider "end XX century" would be impossible without using those very tubes.

If Beowulf has Boeign's industrial ifrastructure, then sure as hell he already has hypertubes.

Hypersonic, yeah - but he's building a Mach 10 tunnel.

I don't think anybody received equipment which would require something like that to build and/or service.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-25 03:47am

So?

Let me explain it very simply.

The TSAGI and NASA got their hypersonic (M=8-20) pipes in the 1960s.

All spacecraft, all supersonic bombers, materials, hell, just about everything was impacted by the immense testing capabilities given by those tubes.

The Tu-160 class craft - and that's just one little example - would simply not exist. In the 1970s, the TSAGi had tunnels to M=25. I'm sure NASA did too.

So either Beowulf makes it a Mach 30 tonnel, smething that really does not exist, or we face a total disconnect in material science, space and aircraft.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-04-25 03:57am

Stas Bush wrote:So? Let me explain it very simply.

The TSAGI and NASA got their hypersonic (M=8-20) pipes in the 1960s.

All spacecraft, all supersonic bombers, materials, hell, just about everything was impacted by the immense testing capabilities given by those tubes.

The Tu-160 class craft - and that's just one little example - would simply not exist. In the 1970s, the TSAGi had tunnels to M=25. I'm sure NASA did too.

So either Beowulf makes it a Mach 30 tonnel, smething that really does not exist, or we face a total disconnect in material science, space and aircraft.

Hmm...well, okay. I didn't know that mach 8-20 tubes exites in the 1960s.

A mach 30 tunnel would be pretty useful for everyone, sure.