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Steve wrote: Baerne, added Laos and Cambodia, but Tahiti frankly wouldn't show up on this map on account of being so small. Or at the least it isn't on the map.

Thanks!

Ryan Thunder wrote:So, does any body else want to invest in the Panama canal? I'm not sure that German investement alone would be sufficient, even with my increased industrial capacity...

Sorry for the double post, but yes - I've got colonies to get to, dontcha know. Could you use financial and technical support.

Ryan Thunder wrote:So, does any body else want to invest in the Panama canal? I'm not sure that German investement alone would be sufficient, even with my increased industrial capacity...

So I've been thinking about it, and investing in a Panama Canal seems like a good thing for the US. I think you can sign me up.

RogueIce wrote:

Ryan Thunder wrote:So, does any body else want to invest in the Panama canal? I'm not sure that German investement alone would be sufficient, even with my increased industrial capacity...

So I've been thinking about it, and investing in a Panama Canal seems like a good thing for the US. I think you can sign me up.

So nobody wants to sign up for the Nicaraguan canal?

Also Rogue I've got Hispaniola, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Antigua and Guadeloupe but my working theory for how I got Puerto Rico is by helping fend off the US invasion of Cuba which remains a Spanish possession. I can change that but let me know.

CmdrWilkens wrote:Also Rogue I've got Hispaniola, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Antigua and Guadeloupe but my working theory for how I got Puerto Rico is by helping fend off the US invasion of Cuba which remains a Spanish possession. I can change that but let me know.

Well I invested the point and I literally have nowhere else to go that really makes sense. I suppose we could've gotten Cuba through some other means, or you got Puerto Rico through other means. But yeah, we can work something out.

CmdrWilkens wrote:So nobody wants to sign up for the Nicaraguan canal?

Also Rogue I've got Hispaniola, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Antigua and Guadeloupe but my working theory for how I got Puerto Rico is by helping fend off the US invasion of Cuba which remains a Spanish possession. I can change that but let me know.

What's the conditions?

Wilkens, PM.

The Mexican Empire
Colonial Possessions: Hispaniola, Puerto Rico, The Virgin Islands (US, UK and "Spanish"), Antuiga, Guadeloupe.
Independent Client States: Nicaragua
(Technically independent but is more akin to Egypt in the early 1900s so I'm counting it towards colonial points)

Population 4
Home Territory 4
Colonial Territory 2
Industry 4 (+2 to Navy)
Economy 4
Infrastructure 3
Standing Military Limit 3
Naval Focus - 4 (2+2)
Army Focus 2
Air Focus 2


*Edited* - Nicaragua is now counted in with "Home Territory" so colonial possessions are down to a 2. In turn SML is up to a 3.

Your choice, Wilkens, but you could probably afford all of Central America with 4 points. 4 gives you 2 to six million square kilometers.

Steve wrote:Your choice, Wilkens, but you could probably afford all of Central America with 4 points. 4 gives you 2 to six million square kilometers.

Okay, edited the points above, CT is now down to 2 while SML is up to 3.

Ok extreme delay here sorry everyone.
Ok I am reviewing my PM's and will make my selections for colonies know. However a question. What would something like Hong-Kong cost me? I want to play a Britain that's on a much sharper decline then historically accurate due to mismanagement. Instead of India being under firm control and all those island colonies I'm looking at a Britian forced to scale back it's Imperial ambitions. Perhaps to the point that only Hong-Kong like agreements and settlements remain remain except for one or two colonies(Has anyone claimed Cuba or the New Zeland?). If Shep and Lonestar are willing for example could we work something out like that were Britain maintains a toehold on some small city to serve as harbor and coaling station for the British fleet with no control over the country proper?

How many Hong Kong's could 1 point buy me? 2 points, 3 points?

Mr Bean wrote:How many Hong Kong's could 1 point buy me? 2 points, 3 points?

As a former colony I was thinking that you'd still have Walvis Bay.

Maybe right for ships in Cape Town in exchange for South Georgia?

I wanted to leave Britain with Ceylon and southern-most India, around Madras, and I think Lonestar was considering it. And so far Australia, New Zealand, and portions of Africa are still open for colony claims. Fiji is also open, so is some of the South Pacific sans Samoa, Nauru, and most of New Guinea (only the bit of West New Guinea between Bird's Head Peninsula and the modern Indonesian/Papua New Guinea border are open). I think Singapore is colored British red but Klavo's Klavostan may claim that (though it wouldn't hurt him if it remains British, Kuala Lumpar is a viable alternative port).

Shinn's history has Hong Kong falling to his Southeast Asian Union but you might be able to see about either A) getting a replacement from Bluewolf or B) getting him to rescind that.

In light of the difficulties in deciding a frontier for Germany and the prospective Polish player, I've taken the liberty of drawing a border for them.

http://stgjr.com/sdnw3/posen.png
http://stgjr.com/sdnw3/galicia.jpg
http://stgjr.com/sdnw3/wprussia.png

Note that unless otherwise drawn, the border would be the historic Russo-German border on 1 January 1914.

My intention is that Poland's frontier in the southern reaches would be the Dniester, even off that map.

MariusRoi wrote:
As a former colony I was thinking that you'd still have Walvis Bay.

Maybe right for ships in Cape Town in exchange for South Georgia?

Well I'm thinking of a Britian who's army overreached and were forced to negotiate leaving territories and handing them over to local governments. In some area they will only have basing rights, in others maybe a natural harbor or a mutual defense pact with the local Navy or perhaps and out and out City under full British control.

What I'm imaging here is a situation where Britain tilts to far the way towards the Navy and while in 1925 she has the finest fleet in the sea bar none. Her Army has been seriously weakened due to a loss of focus so in our world it can be said that Britain's rite runs as far as the waves do, and not ten miles inland.

Mr Bean wrote:(Has anyone claimed Cuba or the New Zeland?)

Sorry dude, I just snatched Cuba.

Wilkens hasn't claimed the Bahamas, but they're probably too small to really have a Hong Kong style thing.

RogueIce wrote:

Mr Bean wrote:(Has anyone claimed Cuba or the New Zeland?)

Sorry dude, I just snatched Cuba.

Wilkens hasn't claimed the Bahamas, but they're probably too small to really have a Hong Kong style thing.

I totally call Gitmo

Mr Bean wrote:I totally call Gitmo

I guess you can have a base on a lease. In exchange for the Bahamas?

By the way, if you're going to use it as a terrorist communist detention center, I'd appreciate a heads up first. And of course getting to send my own commies there.

Oh, and we probably can't hate each other.

And yes Stas, I'm kidding about the communist detention center thing. Mostly.

So Wilkins, what's the terms and conditions for the canal? I wouldn't mind looking into it, if only so that it's easier to send goods on the N. American west coast.

So, thus far, the Panaman Canal board members include Columbia, Germany, the United States, Baernistan (I forget the name), and Cascadia.

Did I miss anybody?

Also, for the sake of number-crunching, how much are you folks going to contribute?

Steve wrote:Shinn's history has Hong Kong falling to his Southeast Asian Union but you might be able to see about either A) getting a replacement from Bluewolf or B) getting him to rescind that.

That very same history also mentions the SAU allowing the British to use Hong Kong as a staging area during the First Opium War. Perhaps the agreement allowing British military access to Hong Kong could still be in force.

Also, last I checked, Fin also has an outstanding claim on Singapore for the Byzantine Empire...

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:So Wilkins, what's the terms and conditions for the canal? I wouldn't mind looking into it, if only so that it's easier to send goods on the N. American west coast.

I'm honestly still building it because I want an economically feasible canal which means figuring the construction and annual operating costs backwards from current dollars as proposed before figuring out just how low I can afford to go.


Bean, since I'm yoinking the BVI maybe that could be in return for basing rights from Santo Domingo or some transit rights through the proposed Nicaraguan canal.

I imagine Barbados and Jamaica would remain British, however, as would various other British isles in the Caribbean that haven't already been claimed.

CmdrWilkens wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:So Wilkins, what's the terms and conditions for the canal? I wouldn't mind looking into it, if only so that it's easier to send goods on the N. American west coast.

I'm honestly still building it because I want an economically feasible canal which means figuring the construction and annual operating costs backwards from current dollars as proposed before figuring out just how low I can afford to go.

Bean, since I'm yoinking the BVI maybe that could be in return for basing rights from Santo Domingo or some transit rights through the proposed Nicaraguan canal.

The Panama canal is quite economically feasible. In fact, its the most economically feasible in all of America, and I don't mean the United States.

Ryan Thunder wrote:

CmdrWilkens wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:So Wilkins, what's the terms and conditions for the canal? I wouldn't mind looking into it, if only so that it's easier to send goods on the N. American west coast.

I'm honestly still building it because I want an economically feasible canal which means figuring the construction and annual operating costs backwards from current dollars as proposed before figuring out just how low I can afford to go.

Bean, since I'm yoinking the BVI maybe that could be in return for basing rights from Santo Domingo or some transit rights through the proposed Nicaraguan canal.

The Panama canal is quite economically feasible. In fact, its the most economically feasible in all of America, and I don't mean the United States.

Its not economically feasible if you charge too much for passage OR if you don't charge enough to cover operating expenses (dredging ain't cheap). You can't just say "here is the Panama Canal" and then charge whatever you want with no repercussions. I could build a Nicaraguan canal for sure but the economics of RUNNING it are what I am trying to deduce. From a economics standpoint it is much more valuable than the Panama canal because the water source is bigger meaning it can carry a larger load. Currently the Panama Canal is carrying close to the maximum load it can because of the load on the locks so given the time period you aren't going to be able to generate that much larger of a set of locks nor can you really do that much to increase your throughput because your water source isn't big enough to handle all that much more.