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Siege wrote:

Thanas wrote:In other news, does any Royal House have any princess of Royal Blood around? After all, the German Crown Prince needs a new wife.

Heh, well, HRH the Princess A'ishah, heiress apparent to the throne of the Sultanate, is not yet married, and she probably has one or two younger sisters as well. It's not your traditional European royal house, but hey, stranger things have happened...

Thanas wrote:

You were saying?

Plan 1921, Cisplatina Enter ship type laid down 1926

Displacement:
72.648 t light; 74.670 t standard; 101.113 t normal; 122.267 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1.165,89 ft / 1.130,00 ft) x 131,00 ft x (39,00 / 45,48 ft)
(355,36 m / 344,42 m) x 39,93 m x (11,89 / 13,86 m)

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 267.008 shp / 199.188 Kw = 32,00 kts
Range 10.400nm at 30,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 47.597 tons

Complement:
2.834 - 3.685

Cost:
£12,917 million / $51,670 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0,0%
Machinery: 8.547 tons, 8,5%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 32.101 tons, 31,7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 28.465 tons, 28,2%
Miscellaneous weights: 32.000 tons, 31,6%
- On freeboard deck: 32.000 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
359.410 lbs / 163.026 Kg = 123,3 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 19,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,31
Metacentric height 12,1 ft / 3,7 m
Roll period: 15,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 43 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,23

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,613 / 0,636
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,63 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 38,35 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 30
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 10,00 ft / 3,05 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 36,98 ft / 11,27 m, 30,25 ft / 9,22 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 30,25 ft / 9,22 m, 23,53 ft / 7,17 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 23,53 ft / 7,17 m, 23,53 ft / 7,17 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 23,53 ft / 7,17 m, 23,53 ft / 7,17 m
- Average freeboard: 26,42 ft / 8,05 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 29,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 192,6%
Waterplane Area: 114.245 Square feet or 10.614 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 206%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 212 lbs/sq ft or 1.034 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,35
- Longitudinal: 0,90
- Overall: 1,00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Lascaris wrote:

Thanas wrote:

You were saying?

Very nice. Now how much was the block coefficient of the two Queens or Normsandie or for that matter Yamato. Oh circa 0.6, 0.612 in the case of the Yamato. Yours has 0.8. Much too high. Soo a straight enlargement of the Queen Mary to Bretagne size

Thanas wrote:In other news, does any Royal House have any princess of Royal Blood around? After all, the German Crown Prince needs a new wife.

Thanas wrote:

Lascaris wrote:

Thanas wrote:

You were saying?

Very nice. Now how much was the block coefficient of the two Queens or Normsandie or for that matter Yamato. Oh circa 0.6, 0.612 in the case of the Yamato. Yours has 0.8. Much too high. Soo a straight enlargement of the Queen Mary to Bretagne size

Sources for the block coefficient for the Normandie? I used her dimensions for this ship. Why don't you post the Bretagne specs for that matter?

Thanas wrote:In other news, does any Royal House have any princess of Royal Blood around? After all, the German Crown Prince needs a new wife.

Siege wrote:Hehe, that's a funny way of phrasing it, Fin...

Steve wrote:An interesting impasse. Lascaris is effectively being punished because Bean was an absentee player who didn't participate when he should have. Yet if we let Lascaris retroactively give a negative reaction to the Dutch conquest at the time, it would inevitably have had some effect on how the conquest was perceived internationally and how the countries doing it behave, jumbling up the game.

Steve wrote:An interesting impasse. Lascaris is effectively being punished because Bean was an absentee player who didn't participate when he should have. Yet if we let Lascaris retroactively give a negative reaction to the Dutch conquest at the time, it would inevitably have had some effect on how the conquest was perceived internationally and how the countries doing it behave, jumbling up the game.

Thanas wrote: Now, it might be the French President is lying through his teeth for whatever reason, is exaggerating, misunderstood etc. However, who is he going to believe more - an ally that has proven its worth and has made a remarkable attempt at rapproachment with the German Empire and which has been willing to solve territorial conflicts diplomatically, or a Government whose whole existence is Germanophobia?

I'm short of wondering what France gains from further alliance with Germany now that it has gained Belgium and Alsace Lorraine. I can't see France gaining anything from the further strengthening of Germany, rather the opposite. A French alliance with Germany means Germany can do as it pleases elsewhere. But with Germany already being more powerfull than France letting it act as it pleases only means Germany further growing to a position that will be able to ignore France with impunity...

Thoughts?

What France gains from an alliance with Germany is security. We are the two most powerful nations in Europe; combining our strength leaves France in a position of near-supremacy for the small price of not stepping on German toes in too egregious a way. I find it highly improbable that Germany power will ever grow enough to allow the Empire to completely ignore France - we share a border and the French Army is one of the best in Europe, while our Air Force puts Germany's to shame.

You'll have to do better than that, methinks.

Sure. You have 2 options allying with Britain or allying with Germany. Post that even accounting for your territorial gains you are ging to be outmached economicaly by Germany and all the more so in population.

If you ally with Germany you ensure Germany's dominant position in Europe. Which in turn means that 5-10 years down the road Germany will outweight you by about two to one thanks to the 60 million Dutch it has annexed. How exactly you contain if need be or otherwise influence Germany in such a situation? At the best of circumstances Germany simply will not need France. Outside Europe France will be very much dependent on the support of the High Seas Fleet but this will be increasingly costlier to obtain.

If you ally with Britain on the other hand the French army will be matching Germany on land and the Royal Navy matching it at sea and Germany wouldn't be able to outproduce France and Britain combined. So France can very well be one of the two prime powers in the continent and potentially the foremost power. Outside Europe it will depend to RN support but Britain would be utterly dependent to French power on land.

What you forget, my good man, is that while Germany got most of Holland, I got a large swath of Belgium, all of the Dutch colonies, and, and this is a vitally important "and," a chokehold on the German economy in the form of the Lorrain mines. We are quite equitably balanced, in my opinion, and I firmly believe that as long as German and French interests coincide, we shall both profit amply.

Regarding your (thinly) veiled proposal of an anti-German alliance, consider the facts: As it stands, all I have to gain by allying with you is the promise of future influence. Influence that, I must remind you, I already have. Furthermore, I have every reason to believe that the second German and French troops have finished killing each other in Flanders' fields, there will be a legion of British soldiers rowing up the Seine as the Royal Navy delivers the killing blow to the Marine Nationale. I do not appreciate your attempts to sway French allegiance from an honorable ally, and they have not been, are not now, and are unlikely to ever be successful.

Hey I resent the thinly veiled part. Britain needs exactly that from France namely an anti-German alliance to keep the German menace at bay. Whether France wants to provide one is a different thing but how am I to know without playing out the card? After all to be a cynic the Franco-German alliance isn't even a year old at this point and came to being to dismember Holland. So what's to lose by trying?

And it's not as if Britain has all that many options besides doing it's best at containment. It's not as if for example Paris and Berlin have come offering a triple Entente to Britain.

Master_Baerne wrote:... Right, then.

Lascaris, generally one doesn't publish damning documents. I direct the court of public opinion's attention to the last exchange; note that Lascaris resents only the 'thinly-veiled' part of my accusation. Not, for example, the accusation itself. He then goes on to explain why it makes sense for Britain to try and split up the Franco-German Alliance - valid reasons all, I must add - and reform it as either an Anglo-French or an Anglo-German alliance. I believe Thanas has some similar PMs sitting around, in point of fact.

Steve wrote:Lascaris, was your conversation intended to be an IC overture to France or an OOC overture to Baerne as a player?

And, honestly, I see Lascaris making some accurate observations OOC and Thanas grossly exaggerating them in-character, which is why I'm considering that entire post to the British Parliament retconned.

Steve wrote:Actually, let me just get to this point without the distraction of people using OOC information in a distorted IC sense.

The mods are in unanimous agreement that SDNW3 is dead. That there aren't enough remaining players, or active ones, interested in the game to keep it going. At least one person I've told is resistant to the death announcement, but he's the only one. Would any others like to argue that this game isn't ready to be consigned to the dust bin?

Note that if people want to agree the game is out but wrap up storylines or what have you, go ahead. Hell, PeZook spent six months doing one for SDNW2.

Lonestar wrote:While the House of Fairfax is the ruling line of the Grand Dominion of the Indies through the position of Lord Protector, the actual throne for the Crusader Kingdom of the Indies has been vacant for a few hundred years(following the Shepistani/Dominion split). So the Fairfaxes are Royal-ish(can ennoble people, grant knighthoods, etc) ...does that count?

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:What exactly are you going for for ships? Actual Spring Sharp designs, or anything?

Thanas wrote:

Steve wrote:Lascaris, was your conversation intended to be an IC overture to France or an OOC overture to Baerne as a player?

And, honestly, I see Lascaris making some accurate observations OOC and Thanas grossly exaggerating them in-character, which is why I'm considering that entire post to the British Parliament retconned.

Yeah, right. The post stands. Note that Sänger is IC using an affidavit from the French President.

Steve wrote:Actually, let me just get to this point without the distraction of people using OOC information in a distorted IC sense.

The mods are in unanimous agreement that SDNW3 is dead. That there aren't enough remaining players, or active ones, interested in the game to keep it going. At least one person I've told is resistant to the death announcement, but he's the only one. Would any others like to argue that this game isn't ready to be consigned to the dust bin?

Note that if people want to agree the game is out but wrap up storylines or what have you, go ahead. Hell, PeZook spent six months doing one for SDNW2.

I disagree, for the very reason that I spent quite a lot of work already preparing future storylines. And it is quite nice that the mods are in agreement, considering that one of them did not even make a single post, with another one making a total of...three or four?

Right.

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In other news, I've gotten another storypost up. Whoever wants to make some money can do so now, contract bidding is open to anyone who wants to.