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Make it an even 10km/px and distances should be fine. I doubt anybody wants to actually have the planet enlarged - it'd involve them having to redo their sub-maps and rethink distances.

Steve wrote:New map update. Some new bodies of land put in.

Where can I find the map?

Man, there should be a convenient place for us to find the map.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:

Steve wrote:New map update. Some new bodies of land put in.

Where can I find the map?

Man, there should be a convenient place for us to find the map.

http://stgjr.com/sdnworld/mapproposal3.png

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Man, there should be a convenient place for us to find the map.

When it's done, we can slap it up on the Wiki.

RogueIce wrote:All this math makes RogueIce a sad puppy.



Who wants to figure out my GDP growth for me?

Make yourself a handy little chart, go year by year and flip a coin:

Heads: +.1%
Tails +4%

Do that for each year and you'll be fine assuming you can work excel and basic multiplication.

Hey Phongn, I hope the IRT is still the "no qualms about selling people" folks, right? Because some men would like to buy some!

Also, moved from the prior page (posted it too late there)

UCSR inflation-adjusted growth: Both nations started in a period of decline, emerged from the troubled times and the growth was reflecting that. The creation of the CATO and the massive economic alliance coming with it did a lot to spurt the otherwise sluggish growth in the period between 2013 and 2017, but the benefits were somewhat offset by a military expansion in both nations consuming a great part of this growth. In my view, the UCSR's growth and economic indicators are pretty much spot-on, as is it's military condition.

The BioWar did a minus-8% of GDP due to the UCSR coming under the impact of Shep's attack and having to go to Civil Defence Emergency that halted economic activity, much like in Pezookia.

Bah.. I'm lazy to come up with numbers, and I will just follow Stas'. Byzantium's growth rate should somewhat mirror that of the UCSR.

Are we already into 2018? Or is that just some forecasting on Stas' part?

Planned calculations to make it a round decade. I.e. the 3,6% figure is the plan.

Steve wrote: ....wait, BLAH, that scaling might be off, I believe it goes back to an old map, because if I use the pixel counts of the map I get an equatorial distance of 24815km, a north-south (pole?) distance of 11382km, meaning a total approximate area of 282,444,330km. Earth has 510,000,000km+ area. I thought we were only about 80% smaller than Earth?

No, we're about 1/3 of Earth's size. Should I post the picture again?

Astronomical parameters of Nova Terra

...nevermind. :V

Czechmate wrote:Okay. Got some unfettered shit for you lads. No bitterness, no whining, no grudges - just straight up data exchange.

Whatever.

Did you just not update your ORBAT yet, or will I have to remind you yet again that your airforce alone exceeds the points limit for a Duchy's entire military?

If its the former I do, of course, apologize for the attitude.

Which ORBAT are you monitoring? Is it the one on the wiki? And are you noting the units placed in inactive reserve (the Y column of the X:Y format, which you had some trouble understanding before)? The update continues, but I've also been working on two other OOBs (for Polaria and Vitoze) and trying to get it all to jibe.

I believe it would most assuredly be the former.
EDIT: Like most other players (as far as I know, anyway), I'm not using the points system any more. I think you came along after it happened, but there came a point where the points system was pretty much universally realized to be of little worth (once the game had progressed forward even a few years) and less respectability, because Shep and Skimmer had basically raped it into mush. You should perhaps assume the same.

EDIT2: If the OOB you're watching is the one in the Building Your Country thread, that's hopelessly out of date. Go to the wiki and look up Emmeria for the updated one for now, because it's easier to balance the three OOBs on the wiki instead of using the SDN edit function.

Czechmate wrote:Which ORBAT are you monitoring? Is it the one on the wiki?

Yes.

And are you noting the units placed in inactive reserve (the Y column of the X:Y format, which you had some trouble understanding before)? The update continues, but I've also been working on two other OOBs (for Polaria and Vitoze) and trying to get it all to jibe.

I believe it would most assuredly be the former, friend.

The rules made no distinction between "mothballed" and active units. I'm not sure why there would be a huge difference, since they're still assets, just not immediately avaliable ones. And as before, there's nothing stopping you from getting help from, say, Tian Xia in making them avaliable for immediate use.

One issue that may be still relevant even at this point, however; I'm looking at the planes you're fielding and seeing stuff like F-28As, B1-Cs, and KCV-22s. I'd very much appreciate it if you could elaborate on exactly what those are supposed to be somewhere, even if its just a little blurb saying "this is like modern plane xyz."

Also if any of it's high-end MESS hardware I'm interested to know why you'd be able to get it from them.

Since you aren't done with it, though, I'll withold further judgement on the scale of it for now.

EDIT: Well if that's it, then I should get to retroactively tack on a larger force myself...

Mothballed units are kept at only the most basic level of maintenance as a cost-saving measure or due to lack of parts. To reactivate them and actively operate them again would take weeks or months at best, depending on the unit in question.

EDIT: You should simply stop worrying about the points system from this junction onward. Just keep it out of Shep/Skimmer territory and you'll be fine.

EDIT2: I updated the air force. I axed the B-1Cs (48) and half the B-350s (24), as well as the carrier air group (36+12+3+2). 125 planes chopped right there. I believe this should sufficiently address your complaints.

I should note that Shep and Skimmer didn't break the rules so much as the points system was entirely, well, voluntary. And they were such miltech arcana nuts they were willing to do the long, hard work of setting up a realistic itemized defense budget.

Steve wrote:I should note that Shep and Skimmer didn't break the rules so much as the points system was entirely, well, voluntary. And they were such miltech arcana nuts they were willing to do the long, hard work of setting up a realistic itemized defense budget.

I'll concede that one. They really were poster children for military-minutae autism.

http://sdnworld.wikia.com/wiki/T-95_Main_Battle_Tank
http://sdnworld.wikia.com/wiki/Coalitio ... ery_system

Dun dun dun! I mastered the Wiki! Soon Fingolfin and Shady won't have to bother since I'll catalogue all the latest military shit we have and place it into nice wiki pages, one for each new weapon we have!

So, exploration of the moon continues. Perhaps it's time to work out territorial matters?

Because, frankly, in a few years we'll have a nuke-powered lunar outpost ready to go. We just need a few more spacecraft and various miscellaneous doodads to service it. And once it's there, territorial matters will suddendly matter a lot

Ryan Thunder wrote:The rules made no distinction between "mothballed" and active units. I'm not sure why there would be a huge difference, since they're still assets, just not immediately avaliable ones. And as before, there's nothing stopping you from getting help from, say, Tian Xia in making them avaliable for immediate use.

Actually Marina made a ruling early on that "reserve" or "guard" formations, that is those which would require at least 6 months of training to be brought up to wartime standards, counted for only half of their nominal point value. So if a formation is a reserve unit then you can have twice as many but it would take you half a year to get them ready for action at the cost of a great deal of money.

Having had some time that needed killin', I decided to craft a map of the island that materialized off the coast of northern Frequesue. The result looks like this:



I've elected to call it Zanzibar because I ran out of inspiration in a most spectacular fashion, and because I simply like the name. The islands are volcanic in nature, and the reason they're torn in two is a cataclysmic, Krakatoa-like explosion somewhere in the antediluvian past that literally cracked the island in two. The remains of the volcano are still there, as indicated by the red bits on the map. As a result of its volcanic past the island is extremely fertile.

As far as who rules the place is concerned, I was thinking about a constitutional monarchy, slightly over principality-size. The locals consider themselves the true heirs of the Greater Sabikan Kingdom of the 19th century, and repelled several Shroomanian attempts at annexation in colonial times. Several factions squabble for control over the kingdom, most notable among which (so far) are a king who tries to expand his power despite his nominally ceremonial function, the crown princess who runs several state businesses and wants to claim the throne for herself, a parliamentary faction of republicans who don't like the overly ambitious monarchy, a bunch of libertarians who like nothing more than to get their hands on the state-run banana plantations, and who knows who else.

Basically the idea is to have so many factions compete for dominance that the island could do a complete 180 on its foreign policy every month, making them highly unpredictable, slightly dysfunctional, and hopefully a lot of fun to interact with.

Not to rain on your parade or anything, because its a pretty cool idea, but a volcano like that would've blasted a hole in the island, not split it in two like that, unless I'm mistaken.

Stas Bush wrote:Hey Phongn, I hope the IRT is still the "no qualms about selling people" folks, right? Because some men would like to buy some!

This IRT long outlawed slavery (despite having had trade ties to Veg's old power back in the day and continuing ties to Imperial Japanistan). It's just not a very efficient way to go about things. However, there are, ah, alternatives in the modern, civilized world. For that matter, you could probably hire a bunch of po' folk for cheap

EDIT: Ah-hah. That's what you're up to Oh, that's easily doable, though I'm going to have to figure out where I'd sell you some holdings. Maybe one of those magic new islands or something that some multinational has mysteriously held claim to

Sell him Klavostan, and watch how Tian Xia and Indhopal do a collective spit-take over it .

SiegeTank wrote:Sell him Klavostan, and watch how Tian Xia and Indhopal do a collective spit-take over it .

Oh man, that would be awesome. Especially as the mercenaries pitch a fit and the whole thing descends into chaos Alas, I've invested a lot of money into there with my own shady long-term plans.