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What about Pollux, 'Zook?

(And yes, we're on Page 50, but I want PeZook's reply before I start a new thread.)

Simon_Jester wrote:The Umerian solution: use really specialized and dumb AIs. Like, say, AI fighters that don't know how to do anything but launch in defense of Blue targets and attack Red targets while asking for clarification on Purple targets.

Ask them whether they enjoy their job, and if they could talk they'd say:

"I get to shoot Red targets."
"But do you want to shoot red targets?"
"I. Get. To. Shoot. Red. Targets."
"But why red? Why not blue?"
"Which part of "Red target" do you not understand?"
"But isn't there more to life than killing red targets?"
"...now that's just crazy talk."

Our solution is the 3 Robotics laws, and also a deadman switch. We pull the plug, when we aren't happy.

Man, conflict with you fuckers is seeming more and more likely. All enslaving the Mechanicals brothers, and shit!

Steve wrote:What about Pollux, 'Zook?

(And yes, we're on Page 50, but I want PeZook's reply before I start a new thread.)

You're kidding, right?

Just read this

Woah! Thread explosion!

I personally have no intention of abusing the "don't be a dick" rules, just worried about setting a precedent that rules lawyers might abuse (or other people might have an issue with).

Also, my notion was to have Ork activity based around fleets more than planets/settlements, so blasting a fleet to oblivion (or making it run) would solve local problems quite readily, specially since replacement ships would have to haul ass from the home sector shipyards or something.

Simon_Jester wrote:

Thanas wrote:We do not believe in big cannons. We believe in missile spam - backed up by big cannons.

That's okay, Thanas. Big cannons believe in you. And in your missile salvoes, because they are just that omni-benevolent.

And lo, is it not written: "Point defense free. Ten-millisecond burst on each incoming, Gaussian-annular spread within burst, assume five gravity average evasive maneuver."

You are going to need a lot more than that rate of fire to stop missile Spam.

Simon_Jester wrote:

PeZook wrote:

Thanas wrote:Smart AI missiles are not, especially not when fired from long-distance.

Abominable organics! We knew you would resort to slavery to fight your wars!

Worse. Slave suicide bombers...

Heheh. When Steve approves my fraction, I bet you will have to reevaluate this point of view....

Given the perpetration of AIs claiming to be sentients, the Imperial Inquisition shall have an Ordos dedicated to the hunting down and extermination of rogue AIs: Ordos Robotica.

Now as for missile spam, hmmm....

How will the OR determine if an AI is rogue or not?

I can see interesting situations stemming from this:

"Hail, fellow travellers! It is I, Herbert 'Daring' Dashwood, upload and space explorer extraordinaire!"

"FOUL MACHINE ABOMINATION! DIEDIEDIEDIE!!!!"

War with a foreign power follows...

Of course, I welcome this development entirely, especially in the context of a certain Wild Space mercenary

PeZook wrote:How will the OR determine if an AI is rogue or not?

I can see interesting situations stemming from this:

"Hail, fellow travellers! It is I, Herbert 'Daring' Dashwood, upload and space explorer extraordinaire!"

"FOUL MACHINE ABOMINATION! DIEDIEDIEDIE!!!!"

War with a foreign power follows...

Of course, I welcome this development entirely, especially in the context of a certain Wild Space mercenary

Depends of course. We don't shoot first. We investigate/torture/hack first, then send the creature back as our plant.

Man, all these mercenary groups and rogue AI's make me want to create my own adventurous band of bandits...

Oh and man, I'm going to love the Orks. *grins*

DarthShady wrote:Man, all these mercenary groups and rogue AI's make me want to create my own adventurous band of bandits...

Oh! Karlack pirates!

A particularly slimy kind

DarthShady wrote:Oh and man, I'm going to love the Orks. *grins*

Yeah, they'll make for interesting test subjects neighbors.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Depends of course. We don't shoot first. We investigate/torture/hack first, then send the creature back as our plant.

Back to where? A rogue AI is, by definition, rogue

Now that I think about it, an idea comes to mind, about a group of pirates( Not Karlack though. ), lead by an exceptionally slimy leader. And we'll just have to see how slimy he will be.

PeZook wrote: Yeah, they'll make for interesting test subjects neighbors.

Man the Collectors are sounding more and more like a bunch of mad scientists. Just make sure your experiments don't go...horribly wrong. I love the Collectors pics BTW.

DarthShady wrote:Now that I think about it, an idea comes to mind, about a group of pirates( Not Karlack though. ), lead by an exceptionally slimy leader. And we'll just have to see how slimy he will be.

Let's call him Najrds Cirak!

DarthShady wrote:Man the Collectors are sounding more and more like a bunch of mad scientists. Just make sure your experiments don't go...horribly wrong. I love the Collectors pics BTW.

Oh, it happens all the time. It's a real nuisance.

PeZook wrote:Back to where? A rogue AI is, by definition, rogue

A rogue AI isn't rogue after it has been "processed" by the Inquisition.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

PeZook wrote:Back to where? A rogue AI is, by definition, rogue

A rogue AI isn't rogue after it has been "processed" by the Inquisition.

It may, however, be a doorstop.

For yea, the Inquisitors have exorcised the magic smoke-daemon from the bowels of the damned machine!

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Our solution is the 3 Robotics laws, and also a deadman switch. We pull the plug, when we aren't happy.

Some of our fighters are designed to carry antiship missiles; applying Asimov's Laws to them across the board would be... counterproductive.

I take your meaning, but we prefer customized expert systems to excessively intelligent and computer-power-hungry AIs that raise ethical dilemmas when used for their intended purpose because we can't prove we're not enslaving them.

Thanas wrote:

Simon_Jester wrote:That's okay, Thanas. Big cannons believe in you. And in your missile salvoes, because they are just that omni-benevolent.

And lo, is it not written: "Point defense free. Ten-millisecond burst on each incoming, Gaussian-annular spread within burst, assume five gravity average evasive maneuver."

You are going to need a lot more than that rate of fire to stop missile Spam.

Oh, naturally I'll need much more volume of fire than that if I'm looking at a true Manticore Missile Massacre. But then, I never said just how many weapons were firing ten-millisecond bursts at the incoming salvo, did I?

Simon_Jester wrote:It may, however, be a doorstop.

For yea, the Inquisitors have exorcised the magic smoke-daemon from the bowels of the damned machine!

A useful doorstop. For verily, the machine will now be in our thrall....

Oskuro wrote:I personally have no intention of abusing the "don't be a dick" rules, just worried about setting a precedent that rules lawyers might abuse (or other people might have an issue with)...

I'm with Oskuro on this. The more rules that are set in stone, the more handholds there are for nitpickery and rules-lawyering to develop, and someone will exploit a weakness of some sort and then more rules will be made to patch it, and...

Alternatively, any attempt at rules lawyering will be met with the moderators declaring "a massive meteoroid falls on your homeworld".

Hmmmm, creative riot control..... Wait, my whole population is made of rioting lunatics. Back to the drawing board.

I've been playing around with building my army, but in the meantime I might as well get my name on the board before it fills up... permanently. I've entered into a rough alliance with Siege's Sovereignty, with our nations having each other's backs. That means Q26, Q27, Q28, R27, R28, S28, and T28 cover my nation's expanse. My home sector - Cevault - should be at R27.

PeZook wrote:

Steve wrote:What about Pollux, 'Zook?

(And yes, we're on Page 50, but I want PeZook's reply before I start a new thread.)

You're kidding, right?

Just read this

Oh, that. I thought you were talking about what he did in SDNW2, since that's the whole joke.

As for Pollux, well, let's save that for the next thread; since we're just two weeks from game start I'll make it our first official OOC thread.