Posted: 2008-05-28 08:38pm
Tian Xia exports (minerals):
Major:
Chrome
Lithium
Minor:
zinc
aluminum
nickle
magnesium
Major:
Chrome
Lithium
Minor:
zinc
aluminum
nickle
magnesium
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Bullshit.Sea Skimmer wrote:Actually I realized that’s probably a pretty low estimate
Yes, a bit.Sea Skimmer wrote:No its peak yield was fair bit higher then that
The US nuclear programme costs, even prior to designing low-yield missileborne devices, were shown. Either show them to be false or decline:If the US and USSR had concentrated on building high yield gravity bombs they could have produced THOUSANDS OF GIGATONS worth of nuclear firepower.
Look carefully on the years. It terminates in 1954. The cumulative costs are this.
What cost $715,398 in 1996 would cost $964,708.89 in 2007, per the inflation calculator.
This means Shep needed to spend 322 billion yearly on nukes alone.
Here's the table. It's right up there. It says nothing about the economy. And it covers the period when the US constructed huge bombs; allowing it's arsenal to shoot up in 3 years - what we need.Your absurdly over simplistic comparisons are irrelevant
Yes, but there are more or less set production terms for the components and investment figures. The OMSK invested a good hundred billion into the space programme collectively.Space travel and giant multi stage booster rockets able to throw 20 ton masses into orbit are far more technologically demanding
No, wait. I thought the subs were provided with a complement of uranium, but no enrichment facilities were created - which led to the "conservation" of the sub fleet until such are built.EDIT: Also; keep in mind that that costs given in Atomic Audit are for the ENTIRE PROGRAM; from bombs to the factories and enrichment plants, etc.
We got perhaps about 75% of the facilities needed magicked into existence by Q; because how else will we enrich Uranium to the high % needed to support naval reactors?
All of which is missing the two points I was making which were:Mr Bean wrote:He made billions off of Blackbird because he manged to sell over 7,000 missiles plus launchers plus radar's eight countries, yes he had massive start-up costs. But now even New Patria has enough anti-ship missiles to make a Naval assault sucide.CmdrWilkens wrote: Simly put Shep can certainly afford to get 8+ GT of nukes since he drastically cut naval spending (though he did take on a rather large cost of fielding the Blackbeards up until recently) and was running basically an occupation economy in Neverhood for the last few years until the revolts started. I'm honestly wondering how Saddamistan is affording all of this.
Had Saddamstain been switched for a Beard equipped country during the Terra Libertia incident, your talking about being able to fire twenty missiles per ship before having to reload.
As Pezook noted, he has enough missles on hand to sink the entire grand Combined Mess Naval Force himself.
As noted the Blackbeard program has turned nearly all conventional warfare against most of the FUN into a losing game, minus strategic craft if you try a Naval assault it's going to get fucking MACROSS'd with six or eight missiles per ship to ensure 100% annihilation.
We need a precise location for the event, because any angle it hits from the south east will leave most of the Saddamistan coast shielded by major land masses and big islands. Whatever area is directly hit however, will possibly be hit by a wave with its height increased by the funneling effect of the surrounding islands.Mr Bean wrote:OAN, Saddamstain, Terra Libertia, and Adrianpolis are going to get fucked and fucked hard by this Tsunami. None more than Adrianpolis. Some of those islands are going to get SWEPT.
Moored mines will be broken loose and some thrown onshore to detonate, some will explode inside the wave, and some will be pulled back out to sea. In terms of damage though, a mine isn’t going to go anywhere that isn’t already deveasted, and the explosive charges in moored mines are nothing huge.
OAN:Question, what happens to sea-mines when a Tsunami hits? I know that the further out mines(10+ miles) will be unaffected unless the water is shallow, but what about the closer in mines?
3 years have elapsed in the game more or less, time enough to spend several hundred billion on nuclear facilities and weapons without particularly horrific strain on the economy. Other then nukes and research into fission reactors for power production (mobile and static) Saddamistan has not really built much other then offensive missiles and diesel/RTG subs, certainly no other grand projects. It does not yet produce its own super high yield bombs either.Stas Bush wrote: Engineering and materials costs alone are $5 billion.
Why should we also "assume" the costs of a thermonuclear device? Here's a table which shows just the bare production costs alone (I deducted R&D costs which generally are small and stay around $1-$2 billion).
What the hell are you SAYING? The biggest nations of SDN have 1,5 trillion GDP. How could they "spend several hundred billion" without a colossal strain on their economies, praytell? Yeah, right - let's just pretend.Sea Skimmer wrote:3 years have elapsed in the game more or less, time enough to spend several hundred billion on nuclear facilities and weapons without particularly horrific strain on the economy.
Get a better grip on economy then. You're not a $13 trillion economy like the United States. Not even an $5 trillion one. You're a $1,5 trillion economy. Realistically, war spending should not exceed 10 percent of GDP, or you're going into war footing.Sea Skimmer wrote:Other then nukes and research into fission reactors for power production (mobile and static) Saddamistan has not really built much other then offensive missiles and diesel/RTG subs, certainly no other grand projects. It does not yet produce its own super high yield bombs either.
Who the fuck said 800 billion? I said several hundred, as in 200-300 and more like 5-7% of the GDP. I don't need to spend anything like 800 billion to have a real nuclear capability, do you think Iran or NOrth Korea or South Africa or Pakistan or Isreal or India spent anything like that much money to get nuclear weapons? I am not replicating the entire US nuclear program, which BTW reached my current level of nuclear firepower by about 1950. The data from the late 50s and 60s does not JUST include huge nukes, it also includes hoards of other things like thousands of tactical nuclear artillery shells that we aren't bothering with yet.Stas Bush wrote:
That's exactly the problem. People don't understand that to spend 800-900 billion in 3 years you'd need to spend 300 billion on nuclear weapons production, transportation and deployment alone yearly.
Great, I can spend half that and still have plenty of money for a conventional military and my cheap cruise missile swarm on the side. Just look at Iran, they have built a complete nuclear program, which multiple forms of fissile material production and a complete mine to waste recycling fuel cycle without any strain on there economy at all, which has a GDP of just 600 billion, half of Saddamistans, and about 5 million more people to deal with under that GDP too.
Get a better grip on economy then. You're not a $13 trillion economy like the United States. Not even an $5 trillion one. You're a $1,5 trillion economy. Realistically, war spending should not exceed 10 percent of GDP, or you're going into war footing.
He got the material for it fair and square by giving up a huge chunk of conventional firepower. Its too bad no one took advantage of his weakness at the time.
And I'm not saying your small stockpile is a problem. Shep's stockpile is.
And has Iran or DPRK produced 10 gigatons worth of fissile material in three years? Really. If you claim you have several hundre megatons in your arsenal, fine.Just look at Iran, they have built a complete nuclear program, which multiple forms of fissile material production and a complete mine to waste recycling fuel cycle without any strain on there economy at all, which has a GDP of just 600 billion
Really? Did he decomission anything but his submarines? Carriers perhaps, each of which costs billions in operating costs? No? Maybe his strategic airforce, which also costs billions to maintain, should be ignored as a cost factor?He got the material for it fair and square by giving up a huge chunk of conventional firepower
No but no one handed Iran dozens of tons of the highest possible grade fissile material, the game handed that to Shep even if we didn’t get enrichment facilities to go with it. If you gave Iran that fissile material then it does already have all the facilities it needs to fabricate it into nuclear devices. US naval reactors run on fuel enriched to about 90% purity, it’s the best stuff you could ask for to build a nuke with. You could end blend it down by a factor of three and it would still work, just with a lesser yield to weight ratio.Stas Bush wrote: And has Iran or DPRK produced 10 gigatons worth of fissile material in three years? Really. If you claim you have several hundre megatons in your arsenal, fine.
Pakistan had to build up a technological base, and it had very little money to spare, its one of the worlds poorest nations by per capita GDP. This game CLEARLY gives first rate powers a first class industrial and technological base, proven by the numerous space programs (notice, in the real world more nations can afford nukes then space flight) and railgun/coilgun projects people have embarked on, and a first world per capita GDP of around 24,000 bucks a head. Building mere nuclear bombs is not some fucking breathtaking accomplishment in this environment. Furthermore this huge nuclear arsenal IS NOT NEW. Sheppard exploded a 100 megaton bomb long ago in the game, why the hell didn’t you raise hell then?Pakistan took a DOZEN YEARS to scale up their nuclear industry, and you claim that... it just arrived? Poof?!
I'll build the 1 SHS and 2 LHS I have planned.PeZook wrote:Okay...ISCA budget time!
Calling all ISCA members for their contributions, and all other countries for their ship orders!
Come here, come all! FCS, FCS-L in all variants! Automated bulkers! Coast Guard cutters and hydrofoils! Nuclear passenger and cargo ships!