Oh, this will be good for a story; you'll have plenty of reasons to now really be in West Neverhood.Coyote wrote:Story, man, story!
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Oh, this will be good for a story; you'll have plenty of reasons to now really be in West Neverhood.Coyote wrote:Story, man, story!
Attention to detail, soldier! I reposted DEATH's thing from the Refrence thread on the page before you!Coyote wrote:Did natural resources ever get figured out? How about the usual copper, tin, some low-grade gems (rubies, sapphires, opals, emeralds) and rubber plantations, with modest natural gas deposits. Sound okay?
Anyway, while it's largely Coyote's call, I don't see why we're going to let Tonkin companies in and start their usual round of resource exploitation, given their cozy relationship with the UAR of late. Plus in general principle: they're just going to take Neverhood's resources out of the Neverhood.DEATH in the Ref Thread wrote:Main industries: Energy (Nuclear,Hydro), resource extraction (gas, diamonds, uranium), Tourism, high-technology projects (including aviation, communications, computer-aided design and manufactures, High efficiency Undersea & deep-mining technology, Space technology, fiber optics).
Mineral resources exist, including oil, but are depleted or have high extraction costs (In the case of the oil), barring Uranium, Diamonds & Metals (recently discovered, and easier to reach due to silting of the channels).
My good man, you've got one. I've got six, floating off Shroomania for a Joint Shroom/Baerne Training Shenanigan.phongn wrote:Huh, forgot that Shep sent that many missiles to you, but in this case you made it sound like your republic was going to go off half-cocked and allPeZook wrote:So, uh...you'd run out of missiles before we did.Don't forget my SSN in the area, though
At which point we get taxed on gross revenue from the project, enriching the government? To say nothing of the people who gain steady employment, or the enrichment international trade brings.RogueIce wrote:Anyway, while it's largely Coyote's call, I don't see why we're going to let Tonkin companies in and start their usual round of resource exploitation, given their cozy relationship with the UAR of late. Plus in general principle: they're just going to take Neverhood's resources out of the Neverhood.
That, sir, is not in the agreementAt any rate, Coyote, they keep well away from the uranium. If they want some nuclear weapons, we won't be supplying them.![]()
Nope. There's also the IRT fast convoy too, which completed transiting the Central Sea.Oh and phongn what's the deal with those Tonkin cargo ships Shep listed in his Slow Convoy? Huh? You think our maritime patrol aircraft missed them?
It's not the local militia we're worried about, who in general all not well-trained or well-armed. It's the government-funded heavies that are the main threat.Coyote wrote:Unfortunately, the local militias on both sides will be most displeased at this "exploitation of the People's Resources" and ProTec will find itself earning its pay-- in spades ("Rorke's Drift" anyone?). It may even become unprofitable-- especially if any "blood diamonds" scandals break out. (I discuss all this openly so we can help build some stories, basically).
Aren't those SSKs? I fear not mobile minefields.Master_Baerne wrote:My good man, you've got one. I've got six, floating off Shroomania for a Joint Shroom/Baerne Training Shenanigan.
I haven't seen anything official put to paper yet, have you?phongn wrote:That, sir, is not in the agreement![]()
That's the one that did the nuke test and is now going home to the IRT, right?phongn wrote:Nope. There's also the IRT fast convoy too, which completed transiting the Central Sea.
As far as I'm concerned, the agreement is done with the Admiral, despite the rather large gold bar now sitting on the contract before the ink has even dried.RogueIce wrote:I haven't seen anything official put to paper yet, have you?![]()
Nope. And who said that group is going home?That's the one that did the nuke test and is now going home to the IRT, right?
OK, went back and it was this post (the whole "turn back" thing) that made me think that.phongn wrote:Nope. And who said that group is going home?
The Fast Convoy has exited the Central Sea and is maintaining right of Innocent Passage via Saddamistan's coastal waters before its dash to Libertia. It is protected by a SAG.RogueIce wrote:If it's not the case, then just what do you have in the Central Sea and in what general direction are they heading?
In a circle 35 kilometers in diameter 2500 Kilometers due south of the Qudlivun Free State. The Faultine it is on is rather big.RogueIce wrote:Zor
Where was the epicenter exactly? So we'd all know which parts of which countries will likely to be hit?
Oh, and I'd really hope whoever was watching those sensors saw fit to send a heads up to everyone else.
Actually I realized that’s probably a pretty low estimateStas Bush wrote:Oky, let's clear something.
Skimmer claimed the UAR has 10 gigatons of nukes.
No its peak yield was fair bit higher then that, 15-20 gigatons is more reflective of the yield of bombs actually deployed for instant use on missiles. Ever heard of the Mk-41 nuclear device? It yielded 25 megatons and the United States produce 500 of the things in less then three years while also building a dozen other nuclear warhead designs at the same time. Those bombs alone are equal to 12.5 gigatons. If the US and USSR had concentrated on building high yield gravity bombs they could have produced THOUSANDS OF GIGATONS worth of nuclear firepower.
Ten fucking gigatons for an archipelago whose entier ground surface is smaller than Africa.
I think everyone should understand that the combined USSR-US nuclear stockpile at it's high reached something like 15-20 gigatons.
Simple, because the terms of the game GAVE HIM tons upon tons of weapons grade uranium in the form of the filling of the reactor cores of his nuclear warships, particularly the Virginia class subs. He got rid of the ships, turned the fuel into nukes. Saddamistan hasn’t done so, but the option is still open, thus its smaller and predominantly low yield stockpile. In fact Shep was being generous, because he did NOT also factor in the potential production capability of his HEU plant for naval fuel into his nuclear bomb production capability.Now, this also means Shep produced nukes at a rate of 3,3 Gigatons per year (no nuclear weapon stuff save for those which came with stockpile ordred tech, like SSBNs, existed in SDN world). HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?! Show the calculations, which detail the fissile material production, and the economic cost of this!
How about no. Your absurdly over simplistic comparisons are irrelevant, and if anything should be objected too from a timescale and cost standpoint its all these space programs people have running. Space travel and giant multi stage booster rockets able to throw 20 ton masses into orbit are far more technologically demanding then a few hundred big nuclear bombs produced using existing material.
Which means, post OMSK downfall, he is in an economic crisis. So scale down that arsenal, or I'll write in about the collapse of Shepnukistan industry with no revenue from making gigatons of nukes per year.
Wouldn't that put it right in Libertopia?Zor wrote:In a circle 35 kilometers in diameter 2500 Kilometers due south of the Qudlivun Free State.RogueIce wrote:Zor
Where was the epicenter exactly? So we'd all know which parts of which countries will likely to be hit?
No, south of the gap between Libertopia and Adrianpolis.Coyote wrote:Wouldn't that put it right in Libertopia?Zor wrote:In a circle 35 kilometers in diameter 2500 Kilometers due south of the Qudlivun Free State.RogueIce wrote:Zor
Where was the epicenter exactly? So we'd all know which parts of which countries will likely to be hit?
AFAICT there was extensive trade with OMSK and FUN beforehand and while elements of them have blocked trade with the UAR, it isn't a complete thing, IIRC. Plus there are neutrals like the UKB.CmdrWilkens wrote:Nonetheless there does remain the quesiotn of how both Shep and Saddamistan are doing economically. Aside from the IRT there are no real trading partners,in fact most of the RPing has indicated an extremely closed system within Saddamistan itself which also means that its economy should be very little more than what it can consume for itself.
Well, the Navy was automatically granted as per the original rules, though who knows what's going on in there.With no sizeable foreign markets and only so much that 30million citizens can consume and produce how is Saddamistan paying, not just for the nukes but for the rest of its navy as well.
He made billions off of Blackbird because he manged to sell over 7,000 missiles plus launchers plus radar's eight countries, yes he had massive start-up costs. But now even New Patria has enough anti-ship missiles to make a Naval assault sucide.CmdrWilkens wrote: Simly put Shep can certainly afford to get 8+ GT of nukes since he drastically cut naval spending (though he did take on a rather large cost of fielding the Blackbeards up until recently) and was running basically an occupation economy in Neverhood for the last few years until the revolts started. I'm honestly wondering how Saddamistan is affording all of this.