[R.M. Schultz]That Axis History Forum Guy Again...

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more to the jewish rights in Austria:

religious tolerance for noncatholics (mostly protestants, but also jews since 1781, civil rights of the 'staatsgrundgesetz' since 1867. official recognition as religion followed 1890.
I quickly mailed a friend of mine who is working on a Dr. iur, hope I understood his answer correctly :wink:
[...] while anti-Semitism was merely a well accepted public opinion in Austria.
unfortunately true.
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Why does R.M. Schultz fail to recognise that the conviction of Alan Turing was just as unjustified as the the eviction of prominent Jewish German and Jewish Austrian scientists during the 1930s? Apart from R.M. Schultz's narrow minded bigotry, is there really a logical reason for his opinion?

And you could argue that Alan Turing had a bigger and more positive impact on the modern world than the many European Jewish physicist who helped the Manhatten Project; Alan Turing was a vital component in the Britain's codebreaking operation and he essentially invented the modern computer, yet after all that he was "rewarded" by getting convicted for breaking anti-homosexual "laws". And in Nazi Germany, loyal SS officers getting executed just for being homosexuals sounds just as brain-damaged as getting rid of Jewish scientists who could've helped in building the A-bomb for Germany. Were the Nazis trying to lose the war?!

Also if violently racist, anti-handicapped and homophobic laws were drafted in the US tomorrow, what sort of terrible brain-drain would occur then with America's culture, art and science?
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Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew?
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R.M. Schultz wrote:Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

[text smallified ~E. Sno] Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew?
You obviously don't fucking get it, cunt. Homosexuality is BIOLOGICALLY BASED, just like being a member of the Jewish Race is. Quit fucking trying to justify the mass murder of gays by Hitler and their unjust arrest and detainment by others, you morally bankrupt smegma-breath!

Why do you actively REFUSE to accept that anti-sodomy laws are just as wrong (here let me repeat so you may finally get it) JUST AS WRONG, YOU FUCKING WASTE OF PROTONS!!! as the Nuremberg Laws!? Stop perpetrating your hate upon yourself, others, and everyone.
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R.M. Schultz wrote:Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew?
He could have tried to fool people into thinking he was not a Jew, just as you suggest Turing could have tried to fool people into thinking he was not a homosexual. This point has been made many times already, and you are choosing to willfully ignore it. Answer the goddamned point right now, asshole.
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Darth Wong wrote:
R.M. Schultz wrote:Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew?
He could have tried to fool people into thinking he was not a Jew, just as you suggest Turing could have tried to fool people into thinking he was not a homosexual. This point has been made many times already, and you are choosing to willfully ignore it. Answer the goddamned point right now, asshole.
Repost from the Chat: I wish I could get into his mind more so I can find his weak point and attack it for massive damage (RIIIIIIIDGE RACER!!!); any pointers?
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R.M. Schultz wrote:Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew?
How about addressing some of the points you're so conveniently ignoring? Like why the fuck should the government have the right to enforce what is or isn't acceptable sexual behavior beyond it involving two mutually consenting adults? Or are you just going to continue ignoring the obvious points like a whiny little bitch?
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It also appears he's adopted a classic hit-and-run troll attack pattern, rendering him completely immune to what little logic and reason penetrate his WoI and Broken-Record tactics.
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secondarily since homosexuality is hardwired into the genes of social animals (to keep populations under control for the good of the pack, pod, flock etc) those fuck nuts who say it's against god will really should look at how dolphins, domesticated dogs, wild dogs/wolves, primate groupings and even those monagamus for life peguins really do operate.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:Secondarily, since homosexuality is hardwired into the genes of social animals to keep populations under control for the good of the pack, pod, flock etc, those fucknuts who say it's against god's will really should look at how dolphins, domesticated dogs, wild dogs, wolves, primate groupings and even those monagamous for life penguins really do operate.
I'm convinced aforementioned fucknuts would quite easily reject Jesus's Second Coming as a trick of the devil, especially if JC started talking his "hippie peacenik communist potsmoking tripe" as they would so see it.
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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
R.M. Schultz wrote:Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew?
He could have tried to fool people into thinking he was not a Jew, just as you suggest Turing could have tried to fool people into thinking he was not a homosexual. This point has been made many times already, and you are choosing to willfully ignore it. Answer the goddamned point right now, asshole.
Repost from the Chat: I wish I could get into his mind more so I can find his weak point and attack it for massive damage (RIIIIIIIDGE RACER!!!); any pointers?
Well, if you're going to go after his character (and why not at this point, since he's abandoned any semblance of debate), I would say that it's pretty obvious he sees suppression of one's own homosexuality as a perfectly reasonable option because that's obviously what he does himself. His "guilty gay" self-loathing is about as well-hidden as Bill Clinton's libido.

And let's not forget this gem:
R.M. Schultz wrote:I can also think of several cases of "horizontal recruiting" where a really good lover has been able to "change" the orientation of someone.
His bullshit is beyond belief.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: He could have tried to fool people into thinking he was not a Jew, just as you suggest Turing could have tried to fool people into thinking he was not a homosexual. This point has been made many times already, and you are choosing to willfully ignore it. Answer the goddamned point right now, asshole.
Repost from the Chat: I wish I could get into his mind more so I can find his weak point and attack it for massive damage (RIIIIIIIDGE RACER!!!); any pointers?
Well, if you're going to go after his character (and why not at this point, since he's abandoned any semblance of debate), I would say that it's pretty obvious he sees suppression of one's own homosexuality as a perfectly reasonable option because that's obviously what he does himself. His "guilty gay" self-loathing is about as well-hidden as Bill Clinton's libido.
Sounds to me some homoerotic pictures is about what the Doctor's precription can be filled best by...
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The difference between Albert Einstein and Alan Turing when they both faced state persecution:

ALBERT EINSTEIN MANAGED TO ESCAPE WHILE ALAN TURING WAS DRIVEN TO FUCKING SUICIDE!!! WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ALAN TURING WAS LEFT OFF LIGHTLY AND SOMEHOW ASKED FOR IT???!!!

AND WHY SHOULD THEIR BE RUTHLESS STATE REPRISALS AGAINST ADULTS WHO ARE HAVING CONSESUAL SEX???!!!

WHAT IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM, MR. SCHULTZ???!!!


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R.M. Schultz wrote:Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew?
WTF does this have to do with the morality of the damned laws, you blind little asswipe?
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Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew? [quote]

WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TO ?

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DICTATE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO TO CONSENTING ADULTS IN THEIR BEDROOMS

You see, with the same right to sentence somebody to prison or death for being gay someone could sentence someone to death for wearing jeans. Both have the same harmful effect on society, i.e. none !
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Morilore wrote:WTF does this have to do with the morality of the damned laws, you blind little asswipe?
To him, everything. His moral compass is legalism.
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R.M. Schultz wrote:Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew?
So you concede that by this logic, a woman who gets raped while walking through a slum is less of a victim than one who gets raped while walking through a peaceful, quiet neighborhood?

This exchange can be summarized as follows:

SCHULTZ: Laws against homosexuality are not immoral.

EVERYONE ELSE: Yes they are, you asswipe, because homosexuals have no choice over their orientation. You might as well make a law against being Jewish.

SCHULTZ: No, they're not, because you can follow them. You can't follow a law aginst being Jewish.

EVERYONE ELSE: So? That's got nothing to do with the fact the laws are immoral.

SCHULTZ: Look, you can follow laws against homoeroticism. You can't follow laws against being Jewish.

EVERYONE ELSE: WHETHER OR NOT THE LAW CAN BE OBEYED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ITS MORALITY OR LACK THEREOF!

SCHULTZ: No, they're moral because they can be obeyed! What aren't you getting about this?
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R.M. Schultz wrote:Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew?[Large bold text is not for the win jackass~Wanderer]
Ability to obey a law has nothing to do with whether it is morally right or wrong. Legalism is not something thats supported here. Further what business is it of ours who consenting adults frack?

Since you on your way out for not conceding, I have nothing further say, but don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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OK R.M. Shultz, since you have been totally evasive about the subject upon which you were challenged earlier, I have three questions:

1) Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support your bizarre claims about the way sexuality works? If not, then will you concede that your claims are unsubstantiated? And do not say "personal experience".

2) Do you have any response to the argument that the only way to escape these programs was to deceive the authorities about your true nature, either for Jews or homosexuals?

3) Would you make the same moral argument about (for example) a law mandating the execution of all Christians, since Christianity is definitely far more of a voluntary choice than homosexuality is?

I expect you to answer these questions, asshole. I've had enough of you ignoring most (or all) of what I have to say in this thread. I will not ask twice.
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R.M. Schultz wrote:Okay, let’s make this really simple and see if anyone can figure it out:

Alan Turing could have kept his damn pants up and obeyed the British anti-sodomy laws and stayed out of trouble. How could Einstein have avoided legal trouble under the Nünrnberg Laws? That is: how could have have legally ceased being a Jew? <- The incredible shrinking text returns! -Wyrm
Anti-sodomy laws are bullshit weasel-laws designed to fly under the defective ethical radars of morons like you. They, for the most part, only slightly inconvenience the lovemaking of heterosexual couples (a certain SDN bigwig here might find it particularly annoying to not be able to have buttsex with his wife -- name withheld to protect the horny! :D ), but homosexuals find it much more restrictive. As Alan Turing illustrated, such laws are designed to keep sodomy an underworld activity where practictioners live in fear of being exposed.

Make no mistake. These laws are anti-homosexual laws in disguise as laws only against a behavior that is, in the final analysis, mostly harmless. And you fell for it. Moron.
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You could argue that the fucking Nuremberg Laws were directed against "Jewish nepotism" but it was a thinly disguised pretext for open persecution and eventually genocide, with the whole thing stinking of same the legal bollocks that also surrounded the equally ridiculous anti-Sodomy laws.

Alan Turing was blamelessly fucked over by the state for something that posed no real threat to society and you hypocritically claim that he was rightly charged for breaking supposedly legitimate laws?! And why do you claim homosexuals were partially responsible for what happened to them when caught by the state?! Anti-Semites also often blame Jews for their actions and for being persecuted!!! You're a unforgivable and pathetic monster, Mr. Schultz.
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Darth Wong wrote:OK R.M. Shultz, since you have been totally evasive about the subject upon which you were challenged earlier, I have three questions:

10 Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support your bizarre claims about the way sexuality works? If not, then will you concede that your claims are unsubstantiated? And do not say "personal experience".
Look, I have offered an hypothesis to explain human sexual behavior and I have offered to defend it against any reasoned argument. The only response I have gotten (aside from infantile name-calling) has been a chorus insisting that “homosexuality is biologically determined.” This answer does not explain how significant numbers of people routinely change their orientation, whereas my theory does. Will someone please offer a theory that is comprehensive enough to include the idea that sexual orientation is fixed while simultaneously accounting for how in many cases it is not?
Darth Wong wrote:2) Do you have any response to the argument that the only way to escape these programs was to deceive the authorities about your true nature, either for Jews or homosexuals?
Supposing you were born Jewish — how could someone tell? Well, there would be your birth certificate which, until fairly recently, listed the parents religious affiliation. There would also be records of temple membership and a corresponding lack of baptismal records. If that didn’t do it, the Nazis were quite willing to go back to the eighteenth century with records or one’s forbearers. Ultimately, you were simply trapped.

But if you were gay, all you had to do was keep your pants up and for all legal purposes cease to be gay!

I guess the issue here ultimately comes down to respect for the rule of law. In a totalitarian state one really does not owe the government any loyalty and is not bound, morally at least, to follow the laws. But in a free society, such as the one Alan Turing lived in, social order is not maintained by force but rather by the good behavior of the citizens and respect for the rule of law becomes a moral obligation. There are going to be bad laws in any system, but in a democratic system our duty is not to pick-and-choose which laws we will follow, but to endeavor to change those laws we disagree with at the ballot box.

Thus I would maintain that the Nazi persecution of Jews, Slavs, and Gypsies was of an order of magnitude worse than the persecution of Homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Communists, while the persecution of Allan Turing was (however foolish and misguided) accomplished within the rule of laws that he was obliged to obey. Sure what happened to Alan Turing was tragic, but he could have acted differently and avoided it.
Darth Wong wrote:3) Would you make the same moral argument about (for example) a law mandating the execution of all Christians, since Christianity is definitely far more of a voluntary choice than homosexuality is?
While I favor religious liberty I also recognize that I live in a democracy where my views are not always going to prevail. The traditional Christian response to persecution is the acceptance of martyrdom — not a lot of sore-headed belly-aching!
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Dude, your 'theory' is totally baseless. Nobody really has to attack it, as you haven't established it beyond 'I say so'. I could say homosexuality is caused by demons, and I saw a demon cast out once, and wow! That theory explains it all too! Shame it's utterly worthless... and nobody has to 'disprove' it, since I haven't even attempted to prove it. Again, biological determinants have been established in scientific studies, and you disregard it because of your anecdotal evidence. Can you see why nobody takes you seriously?

You're actually starting to engage in 'I want a 100% excellent theory or I'm sticking with my absurd baseless one because I like it' reasoning like creationists. Are you a creationist?
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R.M. Schultz wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:OK R.M. Shultz, since you have been totally evasive about the subject upon which you were challenged earlier, I have three questions:

10 Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support your bizarre claims about the way sexuality works? If not, then will you concede that your claims are unsubstantiated? And do not say "personal experience".
Look, I have offered an hypothesis to explain human sexual behavior and I have offered to defend it against any reasoned argument. The only response I have gotten (aside from infantile name-calling) has been a chorus insisting that “homosexuality is biologically determined.” This answer does not explain how significant numbers of people routinely change their orientation, whereas my theory does. Will someone please offer a theory that is comprehensive enough to include the idea that sexual orientation is fixed while simultaneously accounting for how in many cases it is not?
Ever heard of bisexuality, you unforgivable monster? You scream and holler and complain about our chorus that it's biologically determined while simultaneously patently refusing to even look at our scientific evidence! For that, you deserve judgment and for it to be found wanting. Sexual orientation is not absolutely fixed in the vast majority of gay. bi, or lesbian people. I, for one, drift between 100% attraction for men and 80/20 bisexuality on an essentially random basis, since you consider anecdotes to be the King of All Evidence. :roll:

And you have yet to look past your Legalism as Highest Arbiter of Morality™ brand of fucktardism. In short, you are most definitely one of the more unforgivable tyrants ever to have visited our forum.

May you burn in Hell for your crime.
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I cannot vote since I'm not a Senator, but if I were one, I would say this.


Flay this hateful tyrannical bigoted unforgivable monster alive, dip it in a salt bath, burn it at the stake, then ban its ass and stick its head on a pike on the South Gate.
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