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[Zero]

Let me make this perfectly clear to you, dipshit: any student who would actually put his education in jeopardy for the sake of his fashion sense deserves to live in a slum for the rest of his life, and I would personally take great pleasure in making sure he goes there, by expelling the little shit.

Alright, everything else you've said, I agree with. Being able to dress how you want isn't a right. However, the notion that someone should be fucked for his entire life based on his preferences as a teenager is one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard. Are you honestly of the opinion that someone should be fucked forever if they make a reasonably simple mistake that won't have any terrible permanent consequences except for those you yourself impose upon them?

My cousin couldn't have cared less in high school, and actually nearly dropped out. By going the community college route, and working enough to save up the cash, he'll soon have a degree in neurobiology (forget from where). Now, this isn't an attempt at anecdotal evidence, so don't take it as that. If you apply your general principle of sending someone to the slums for life because as a teenager they worried more about irrelevant crap, then my cousin should have stayed fucked for life instead of actually making an effort at improving himself after fucking up. I'm trying to apply your general principle to a specific situation: do you think my cousin's done something wrong, or ought not to have had the chance to actually make a comeback?



As for the rest of the shit... well, it's obvious that public education exists for the sake of educating the students, not making them happy, but the public education system still ought to be concerned with their well-being, since that does actually have an effect on how well they'll be able to learn. This doesn't mean that the school has to bow to the whim of its student body, only that the notion that the school ought to be able to say, "Fuck the students, they don't matter!" is kinda dumb when the entire system is for educating them. Also, if a policy generally causes more troubles to the education of the student body than actual benefits, that policy is damned stupid. In the case of the clevage rule, this rule probably won't really bother students after they get use to it a bit, and will take away something that I can personally say is quite a distraction from education.

Editor's note: Split from here.

[Darth Wong]

Alright, everything else you've said, I agree with. Being able to dress how you want isn't a right. However, the notion that someone should be fucked for his entire life based on his preferences as a teenager is one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard.

Why? Because you say so?

Are you honestly of the opinion that someone should be fucked forever if they make a reasonably simple mistake that won't have any terrible permanent consequences except for those you yourself impose upon them?

It is not a "reasonably simple mistake" to make a conscious decision to put clothing before education on your life priority list. It is the act of a first-order imbecile.

My cousin couldn't have cared less in high school, and actually nearly dropped out.

And if he had actually dropped out, he would deserve to get fucked. Too bad, so sad. Yes, that's right; you invoked the dreaded "somebody I know" argument technique, and I don't give a shit.

By going the community college route, and working enough to save up the cash, he'll soon have a degree in neurobiology (forget from where). Now, this isn't an attempt at anecdotal evidence, so don't take it as that. If you apply your general principle of sending someone to the slums for life because as a teenager they worried more about irrelevant crap, then my cousin should have stayed fucked for life instead of actually making an effort at improving himself after fucking up. I'm trying to apply your general principle to a specific situation: do you think my cousin's done something wrong, or ought not to have had the chance to actually make a comeback?

If someone genuinely wants to make a comeback, he will find a way to do so despite being expelled, fucktard. But there is no reason whatsoever to coddle the kind of idiot who would consciously decide to put fashion before education.

As for the rest of the shit... well, it's obvious that public education exists for the sake of educating the students, not making them happy, but the public education system still ought to be concerned with their well-being, since that does actually have an effect on how well they'll be able to learn.

And you think "well-being" has something to do with unrestricted fashion choices?

This doesn't mean that the school has to bow to the whim of its student body, only that the notion that the school ought to be able to say, "Fuck the students, they don't matter!" is kinda dumb when the entire system is for educating them.

My argument is that we should say "Fuck the students' fashion choices, they don't matter". Don't misrepresent me, boy.

[Zero]

Why? Because you say so?

No, it's because people aren't usually the same person they were when they were stupid teenagers. Are you the same as you were when you were 16?

It is not a "reasonably simple mistake" to make a conscious decision to put clothing before education on your life priority list. It is the act of a first-order imbecile.

Well, if you complain about a dress code, you aren't necessarily putting clothing before education on your priority list. Really, if you dropped out because you didn't want to deal with a dress code, you'd be putting style before education, which is damned stupid, but simply trying to cooperate with other students to get a dress code rule overturned isn't the same thing. In fact, your notion that expulsion ought to be mandatory for any such efforts is really YOU putting someone's concern over their own clothing above their education, since you're the one who wants them expelled.

And if he had actually dropped out, he would deserve to get fucked. Too bad, so sad. Yes, that's right; you invoked the dreaded "somebody I know" argument technique, and I don't give a shit.

Even then, you can get a GED, and end up getting an education, but your statement seemed to imply that they shouldn't have second chances, since anyone who fucks up deserves to live in a slum for the rest of his life.

If someone genuinely wants to make a comeback, he will find a way to do so despite being expelled, fucktard. But there is no reason whatsoever to coddle the kind of idiot who would consciously decide to put fashion before education.

I can't be held responsible for your amiguous wording. You said specifically that you would personally send such a person to live in a slum for the rest of his life. You made no mention of the obvious possibility of working around your attempts at fucking them over for life, so I assumed that you actually wanted people to suffer their entire lives for mistakes made within a 4 year time period.

And you think "well-being" has something to do with unrestricted fashion choices?

My argument is that we should say "Fuck the students' fashion choices, they don't matter". Don't misrepresent me, boy.

I didn't comitt either of the things you accused me of in either of these statements. The bottom paragraph was only intended to be my response to the general thread topic; if it was a response to something you'd said, I'd have included quotes. I also specifically stated that I didn't think being able to dress how you want is a right as one of the first things I said, and even said that I agreed with the anti-cleavage rule. I never misrepresented you, and I agree that students' fashion choices matter worth jack shit unless said choices start effecting education, which is why a dress code exists in the first place. Don't misrepresent me, old man.


Just to get shit straight, I agree with dress codes and their enforcement, and this includes shit relating to uniforms, I just thought it was odd that your post seemed to imply that everyone ought to be fucked for life if they made mistakes when they were young.

[Darth Wong]

Why? Because you say so?

No, it's because people aren't usually the same person they were when they were stupid teenagers. Are you the same as you were when you were 16?

No, but when I was 16 I was getting straight A grades in high school. I wasn't some imbecile threatening to boycott school if I can't have my way with fashion choices.

Well, if you complain about a dress code, you aren't necessarily putting clothing before education on your priority list.

Then why the fuck are you arguing with me, since I was responding to Molyneux's exhortation for the students to organize a union?

Really, if you dropped out because you didn't want to deal with a dress code, you'd be putting style before education, which is damned stupid, but simply trying to cooperate with other students to get a dress code rule overturned isn't the same thing.

Yes it is, because a union's only real leverage is to boycott the school in order to get their way.

In fact, your notion that expulsion ought to be mandatory for any such efforts is really YOU putting someone's concern over their own clothing above their education, since you're the one who wants them expelled.

You're so full of shit it's oozing out of your nostrils. If any student body followed Molyneux's advice and tried to organize a union, threaten walkouts, etc., they would be threatening to cease receiving an education if they don't get their way. The only appropriate response to that is to make an example out of them.

Even then, you can get a GED, and end up getting an education, but your statement seemed to imply that they shouldn't have second chances, since anyone who fucks up deserves to live in a slum for the rest of his life.

He does deserve to be fucked for the rest of his life. If he eventually decides to find a way out of it, good for him, but it's a bonus. No one owes him jack shit after he pulls a stunt like that. Or don't you realize how goddamned expensive it is for society to keep chasing after these kinds of people, trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear?

I can't be held responsible for your amiguous wording. You said specifically that you would personally send such a person to live in a slum for the rest of his life.

Yes, I would. Fuck him. If he wants to pull himself out after that, he should have to do it on his own. Society only has so much obligation to mollycoddle people, and no one owes him jack shit after he does something like that.

You made no mention of the obvious possibility of working around your attempts at fucking them over for life, so I assumed that you actually wanted people to suffer their entire lives for mistakes made within a 4 year time period.

Yes I do. Fuck 'em. If they want to salvage their own lives, they should have to do so on their own. I don't see why I should be crying in my beer about how society failed them, when they failed society. There are plenty of people out there who are given restricted choices in life, who have been legitimately let down by society. But when someone has all of the opportunities he needs and chooses to piss them away, give me ONE goddamned reason why society should continue to spend vast sums of money chasing after him, trying to force-feed him an education he obviously doesn't want enough to work for.

I didn't comitt either of the things you accused me of in either of these statements. The bottom paragraph was only intended to be my response to the general thread topic; if it was a response to something you'd said, I'd have included quotes.

The general thread topic is about fashion choices, you goddamned idiot. Anyone can see that. It's right in the thread title, for fuck's sake. Do you think everyone here is blind?

Don't misrepresent me, old man.

You probably think that's a really clever comeback. Well gee, it's so fucking clever that I'm impressed. Really, I am. In fact, I'm so damned impressed with your rapier wit that I will let this stunning comeback be your final word on this board. Buh-bye.

Word to the wise: when you get caught misrepresenting someone and get told to stop, telling obvious lies and trying to nail a mod with a really snappy comeback is not the smartest thing to do.

[fgalkin]

Moved to its final resting place.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin