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This is something that has been somewhat of a stumbling block for me. How does one logically justify intolerance of intolerance? I believe it is a sound idea, but I lack the means with which to justify it.

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The same way one justifies intolerance of rapists and murderers. They're conscious choices.
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Natorgator wrote:This is something that has been somewhat of a stumbling block for me. How does one logically justify intolerance of intolerance? I believe it is a sound idea, but I lack the means with which to justify it.

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How to "logically" justify it? Don't you mean ethically? Logic simply goes from premise to conclusion. It doesn't justify premises, and ethics is all about premises.

To wit: "intolerance" is short-hand for "intolerance of social diversity", which is another way of describing ruthless coerced social conformism. The word "intolerance" by itself is meaningless, and people often forget that "intolerance" in the common vernacular is really just shorthand for something else. When you use the long-hand, it's obvious why "intolerance of intolerance" is a nonsensical concept, because social "intolerance" is intolerance of a specific thing.
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I just see it as the difference between action and reaction. If I go out and kill someone that has done nothing to me, that is wrong. If I kill someone that is trying to kill me, that is not wrong. Simple.
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SPOOFE wrote:I just see it as the difference between action and reaction. If I go out and kill someone that has done nothing to me, that is wrong. If I kill someone that is trying to kill me, that is not wrong. Simple.
To expand that to a social level (because ethics are concerned with social behaviour, not personal behaviour, which is what morals are) if you kill someone that was trying to kill someone else unprovoked, you have also done no wrong, you have helped to protect society by removing a destructive element.
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If the intolerant person tries to harm others for not agreeing with him then he's a danger to society.
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I am not intolerant of intolerance. I ---LOVE--- intolerance.

But I fucking hate STUPIDITY with the fiery intensity of a thousand stars, and stupidity is what most people mistake for intolerance.
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An ethically/morally bankrupt ideology or social philosophy is devoid of redeeming merit and therefore unworthy of even the least consideration toward according it fair treatment or toleration.
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Presumably these people think being intolerant to intolerance is hypocritical. Actually being tolerant of intolerance is the hypocrisy.
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The way I see it is that the problem of being intolerant of intolerance is that there's nothing inherently negative or positive about intolerance. Intolerance is only a negative thing when someone's being intolerant of a concept or idea that's otherwise harmless to, and possibly beneficial for society as a whole.
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If this is a free country, ppl should be allowed to be intolerant. I don't hate black people, but if I did, nothing would piss me off more than being arrested for having my own opinion simply because it does not comply to a ridiculous...no, obscene social standard of "political correctness", "understanding", and other un-manly, pro-feminist DOG CRAP.
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Why the fuck should somebody be allowed to extend their own personal prejudices into how they interact with people? Yeah, it's okay for you to be an ass hole and hate people based on an entirely irrational standard, but if you try and extend these bullshit prejudices into, say, who you'd choose to hire for work, then you're obviously just being a douchebag.

How is it an obscene social standard to ask people to be courteous to each other, and to not hate based on.. absolutely nothing?
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Trek and Buffy suck wrote:If this is a free country, ppl should be allowed to be intolerant. I don't hate black people, but if I did, nothing would piss me off more than being arrested for having my own opinion simply because it does not comply to a ridiculous...no, obscene social standard of "political correctness", "understanding", and other un-manly, pro-feminist DOG CRAP.
Sure, it's a free country, and you have the right to be the asshole you want to be. You have the right to associate with like-minded assholes and display your assholery in public, and there's no danger of being arrested simply for being an asshole. Just remember that the rest of us have the right to tell you to fuck off for it, however; nor do you have an automatic right to be listened to or accepted for your assholery.
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I never said I thought it did. Rather merely that there shouldn't be intolerance for intolerance, because if you are intolerant of intolerance, then you can't accept other folks' differences any more than the people u label "intolerant" can. Hence, a hypocrasy (sp?).
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Let's paint the world in black and white, shall we? :roll:
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Trek and Buffy suck wrote:I never said I thought it did. Rather merely that there shouldn't be intolerance for intolerance, because if you are intolerant of intolerance, then you can't accept other folks' differences any more than the people u label "intolerant" can. Hence, a hypocrasy (sp?).
You're not being intolerant, you're being "fucking stupid." (see my previous post in this thread.) I instantly concede that you have the constitutionally guaranteed right to your fucking stupidity, but everyone else has an equally protected right to dislike/rag on you for it. What you DON'T have the right to do is promote violence against people re: who you are intolerant. For example, your statement about "obscene social standard of 'political correctness", "understanding", and other un-manly, pro-feminist DOG CRAP" made me want to kick you in the face 13 times because women are 100% as deserving of dignity and human rights as you are, (probably 2-300%, judging by your posts) but I'm not actually going to say "you should be kicked in the face 13 times" because that would be crossing a line.

Being intolerant of "intolerance" merely shows that my convictions are strong enough to support out-reach. Playing devil's advocate is a time honored tradition, but you need to stop right now and either say what you believe in, or at least play it against a vaguely defensible position.
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Sriad wrote:
Trek and Buffy suck wrote:I never said I thought it did. Rather merely that there shouldn't be intolerance for intolerance, because if you are intolerant of intolerance, then you can't accept other folks' differences any more than the people u label "intolerant" can. Hence, a hypocrasy (sp?).
You're not being intolerant, you're being "fucking stupid." (see my previous post in this thread.) I instantly concede that you have the constitutionally guaranteed right to your fucking stupidity, but everyone else has an equally protected right to dislike/rag on you for it. What you DON'T have the right to do is promote violence against people re: who you are intolerant. For example, your statement about "obscene social standard of 'political correctness", "understanding", and other un-manly, pro-feminist DOG CRAP" made me want to kick you in the face 13 times because women are 100% as deserving of dignity and human rights as you are, (probably 2-300%, judging by your posts) but I'm not actually going to say "you should be kicked in the face 13 times" because that would be crossing a line.

Being intolerant of "intolerance" merely shows that my convictions are strong enough to support out-reach. Playing devil's advocate is a time honored tradition, but you need to stop right now and either say what you believe in, or at least play it against a vaguely defensible position.

You know, I could explain about what a fag you are, but it could easily take several hundred posts given what a truly titanic cocksucker you are. So instead, I'll give you the proper reply.

I WIPE MY ASS WITH AN AMERICAN FLAG.

I spit on you, I spit on your bloodline, and I spite on the whore you call your mother. The fuck with her, the fuck with your faggot country, and the fuck with this gay forum. This place just isn't good enough to have me. Kiss my balls, asshole.
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Off to the HoS we go!

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Trek and Buffy suck wrote:You know, I could explain about what a fag you are, but it could easily take several hundred posts given what a truly titanic cocksucker you are. So instead, I'll give you the proper reply.

I WIPE MY ASS WITH AN AMERICAN FLAG.

I spit on you, I spit on your bloodline, and I spite on the whore you call your mother. The fuck with her, the fuck with your faggot country, and the fuck with this gay forum. This place just isn't good enough to have me. Kiss my balls, asshole.
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Trek and Buffy suck wrote:You know, I could explain about what a fag you are, but it could easily take several hundred posts given what a truly titanic cocksucker you are. So instead, I'll give you the proper reply.

I WIPE MY ASS WITH AN AMERICAN FLAG.

I spit on you, I spit on your bloodline, and I spite on the whore you call your mother. The fuck with her, the fuck with your faggot country, and the fuck with this gay forum. This place just isn't good enough to have me. Kiss my balls, asshole.
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Trek and Buffy suck wrote:I never said I thought it did. Rather merely that there shouldn't be intolerance for intolerance, because if you are intolerant of intolerance, then you can't accept other folks' differences any more than the people u label "intolerant" can. Hence, a hypocrasy (sp?).
Lets be blunt here. When people are saying I tolerant, they mean tolerant to differences which are otherwise harmless. They do not mean tolerate anything from terrorism to paedophilia.

When people say "intolerance to intolerance", they are really meaning "intolerance to bigotry". Not intolerance to people who are anti paedophilia or anti rapist.

So being intolerant to bigotry is not fucking hypocritical since being tolerant does not extend to tolerating any thing goes.
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Trek and Buffy suck wrote:
Sriad wrote:
Trek and Buffy suck wrote:I never said I thought it did. Rather merely that there shouldn't be intolerance for intolerance, because if you are intolerant of intolerance, then you can't accept other folks' differences any more than the people u label "intolerant" can. Hence, a hypocrasy (sp?).
You're not being intolerant, you're being "fucking stupid." (see my previous post in this thread.) I instantly concede that you have the constitutionally guaranteed right to your fucking stupidity, but everyone else has an equally protected right to dislike/rag on you for it. What you DON'T have the right to do is promote violence against people re: who you are intolerant. For example, your statement about "obscene social standard of 'political correctness", "understanding", and other un-manly, pro-feminist DOG CRAP" made me want to kick you in the face 13 times because women are 100% as deserving of dignity and human rights as you are, (probably 2-300%, judging by your posts) but I'm not actually going to say "you should be kicked in the face 13 times" because that would be crossing a line.

Being intolerant of "intolerance" merely shows that my convictions are strong enough to support out-reach. Playing devil's advocate is a time honored tradition, but you need to stop right now and either say what you believe in, or at least play it against a vaguely defensible position.

You know, I could explain about what a fag you are, but it could easily take several hundred posts given what a truly titanic cocksucker you are. So instead, I'll give you the proper reply.

I WIPE MY ASS WITH AN AMERICAN FLAG.

I spit on you, I spit on your bloodline, and I spite on the whore you call your mother. The fuck with her, the fuck with your faggot country, and the fuck with this gay forum. This place just isn't good enough to have me. Kiss my balls, asshole.
Wow. Because, you totally responded logically and reasonably to his post, and like cause you were all like "You're a fag" and that was SOOOO cool. Are you the Fonz? :roll:
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Wow. A angsty prepubescent kid who is anxiously waiting for his dick to grow. Guess what, kiddo: supposing you are right that intolerance is OK. In that case it is OK for us to be intolerant of you for being a moron. Kinda ironic, right? But if you wish to object to our treatment of you I guess you can just take your whiney, unmanly faggot ass to a different forum, right? After all, it is a free country.
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Post by Sriad »

It's just becuase I owned him absolutely and beyond any hope of redemption.

Frankly if I were a little ass tick of a troll, I would have responded the same way.
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