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[Ghost Rider]

And look, in the end...he proves he's as dumb as YEC.

or

He's a shit stirring troll.

So which is it ?

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I feel a poll coming on...

[Admiral Valdemar]

I feel a poll coming on...

A true clairvoyant!

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How about "Full of Village Idiots"?

[Darth Wong]

And it can also imply that he just can't fucking kill himself.

Why not? Oh yeah, you propose no explanations at all. How typical for a fucking troll.

Waving around an unsupported and ambigous explaination to match your lame unsupported theory; that'd be right.

How is it "unsupported and ambiguous", moron? The fact that the Q do have and use technology has already been demonstrated during the Q civil war, and you have no explanation for why such a being should be incapable of killing himself without outside help.

[Darth Wong]

I feel a poll coming on...

Keep up your trolling, and a poll will be unnecessary. You have repeatedly earned and then begged your way out of a VI; this cycle will only repeat so many times before my patience is exhausted.

This goes for Walper too, who raised points in this thread that he already raised in a different thread against someone else and which were already addressed there (we're not big fans of broken-record behaviour, Walper).

[Stofsk]

1. Q's a drama queen thus uses much subjective hyperbole to increase his abilites in the eys of lesser being. To him this must mean that he has these abilites but is just exagerrating them the nth degree.

For fucks sakes! I told Zod that HE shouldn't use the flip side of that argument! I've been saying since day fucking ONE that the EVIDENCE points to innate! Where's your evidence of tech, GR?

Point against innate powers: they can be taken away. No innate power is 'innate' if it can be taken away.

Of course you will counter with the false analogy of the handcuff or blindfold, but these are only limited braces that do not restrict all that is innate to a person's mobility or perception. Literally, to stop someone from doing anything, you'd need to tie their legs together, force them into a strait jacket, and stick them into a sensory deprevation tank. Then your analogy would be apt.

However, we do not see this happen to Q. He acts with full mobility and can act in his environment, which means his powers cannot be 'innate' to him as waving one's arms are to a human, or to have one's eyes open. This power cannot be 'innate' to Q if it can be granted to a non-Q, like William Riker or Tom Paris. These examples point to an external source, which is a point that has been repeatedly brought up before many pages back in this thread, and in the one in PST.

2. He claims no objective evidence of Technology: Refer to Q and the Grey. Lie #1

How may TIMES have I said it! Is was an ILLUSION! Q said he created it, THAT is objective evidence! Your idiotic interpretation of what you saw is SUBJECTIVE BULLCRAP! Those were NOT fucking muskets!

Where's your evidence of tech, GR?

Jon provided it, proving that your assertion, that 'it was an illusion to the benefit of Starfleet personnel', is fairy dust.

3. He ignores all precendence yet clings to innate abilites.

Ask him what examples of unrelated species has to do with Q. Where's your evidence of tech, GR?

Provided, you've repeatedly ignored it.

The problem is your explainations are FUCKING UNSUPPORTED!
NO dialogue!

False; Jon provided dialogue from Q and the Grey.

NO issues relating to!

False; the drama of Hide and Q related to humans acquiring Q powers. The drama in Deja Q related to Q losing his powers, and in repentance regaining them.

NO equipment!

False; Q and the Grey shows that humans can wield Q weaponry.

NO breakdowns!

False; Q's powers can be stripped away from him by other, presumably senior members of the Continuum. Q's powers are not infinite nor all-powerful; Q could be struck by Sisko.

NOTHING! You're pulling shit from your bloody ass; it BURNS YOUR ASS that Q has powers which aren't connected to tech, doesn't it.

Why are you concerned with GR's bowel movements? You didn't eat anything disastrous for your gastrointestinel tract this evening, by chance?

[SirNitram]

Producing results without evidence of using tech indicates magic, dumbass, not just snapping fingers, wiggling noses, or crossing arms and nodding heads. In another way, he belongs in the magic table not because there are already items in that table which use magic by snapping fingers, but because:

Ah, it's so cute when another blind idiot tries to tell me what makes something magic. By BullShitter here's definition, a Clapper you can't see is magic, and a sorcerer's wand is technology.

No dumbass, I'm not arguing the actual tech has to be visible; I'm saying we have to see evidence of it. Dialogue. Issues relating to. Equipment. We don't see ANY of that. By my definition, a clapper I can't see isn't magic because I know we built them, I've seen them before, I've heard about them even before that; bucket loads of evidence showing they aren't magic.

Now you're just repeating your lies of omissions of evidence.

• We don't observe any tech; we see no issues which are associated with using tech. No power fluctuations, no breakdowns, no equipment; nothing.

Outright lie. We see flashes of light, we see Q who cannot use their powers, and we see equipment(Q and The Grey). Strike one.

A flashing light? Waaayyyy to ambigous. It can belong to either theory.

You wanted power fluctuations. It's not my fault you're a retard who can't differentiate when he requests something.

Removing powers? Weak. It can be used in either theory. Removing your innate ability to move your arms doesn't prove the effect your arms creates is tech based.

Amusing. You state clearly what you want to prove it's tech, and when shown it, you start whining about how ambiguous it is. Silly little troll.

Q stated the scenario was an illusion depicting the battle in a form the crew could comprehend; the muskets were not real, the equipment was not real, it was an ILLUSION. No signs of equipment.

You will of course be providing proof the illusion included weapons that didn't exist, as opposed to covering over advanced weaponry.

Oh, wait. You've not offered one peice of evidence this entire debate.

[*]The way they use their powers is instant, seemingly effortless, and above all, supernatural. They just click their fingers, just like Samantha wiggling her nose in Bewitched. [/list]

Again, by this argument, me using a Clapper you can't see is Magic.

Wanking off to clappers again? When seperated from the first point, the argument above isn't valid. But when combined with the first, it is. But because you're a fucking retard, you don't understand that you can't dissect arguments at points which remove context.

Sorry, no. The 'point' is an Appeal To Ignorance Fallacy. Only ignorant trolls think that's ever a valid point.

I wish it were so easy to Willwork, but sadly, the rest of us here live in the 21st century. When you're ready to come through the Age Of Reason and catch up, do tell us, little troll.

Very witty. Idiot.

'Idiot!' cryeth he. Well, prithee and nuncle, but I'm not the flaming retard resorting to 'I can't see the tech, it must be magic!' logic out of the 10th century.

I didn't offer any concession, dipshit. Everywhere we look, there is evidence of magic; there is no evidence of tech. You can try hiding your theory behind explainations on how it would all work using future Fed tech [Darth Wong's last post], but your sides unsupported explainations doesn't add much strength to your theory.

Sorry, child, but the explanation works perfectly well. It clarifies the entire thing while obeying the basic principles of logic and reason, and within Parsimony. Yours relies on 10th century superstition(I didn't see no flint'n'steel! That little bitty of wood with a red bit is magic!).

Still can't tell the difference between asking to see EVIDENCE of tech and SEEING tech. BTW, it was an illusion. No real equipment. Refer to dialogue. They've given and taken powers before [Riker], it makes more sense that that's what they did to the crew when they got there.

There's an interesting declaration. 'No real equipment'. Your proof thus, sir? Oh, wait, none.

I have explained the evidence of technology. You simply refuse that it exists. Your trollish behavior is so noted.

You have explained jack shit, you're an idiot, see above.

Lie. But don't let that stop you, it hasn't so far...

let me get this straight; just because he said the word "display", means he used a holodeck? BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

It means the simplest explanation is that it used illusion, you ignorant little jackass. And those of us not living in the Dark Ages understand that 'Simplest and most logical' equals 'best'.

No fucking shit he used illusion; you said however it was stated that holodecks was used. So show me the quote.

Holodecks produce illusions. You have proof it must be something else? Then post!

That IS objective evidence, you moron.

You apparently have no idea what 'objective evidence' for a theory is. The Enterprise gets tossed light years; Q does this, but so does a Transwarp Conduit. By your pathetic mindset, both are magic.

No, because there is evidence of tech in a TWC. Your stupidity knows no bounds. Objective evidence is "producing results by clicking fingers", no evidence there of tech anywhere in any form in any way in any episode, an innate power is a better theory then tech which never gets mentioned or breaks down or shows up, just give it up for fucks sakes.

My stupidity knows no bounds? My my. What a maroon. Yet another Appeal To Ignorance Fallacy here.

Do you know what a good explaination needs? Evidence. You have none, you're pulling things from your ass. Q Satellites? DNA? Stop wasting my time, dumbass.

Q technology has been shown in Q and The Grey. The limitations of it have also been shown and noted. Your evidence? Oh yes, none.

Q technology has NOT been shown in Q and The Grey. I'm tired of you repeating this bullshit over and over again; it was an ILLUSION, you DUMBASS!

Your proof there was no equipment? Oh yes, none.

You're boring now, just repeating your screaming as the Wall Of Ignorance is in place. Oh well, maybe this time you'll get titled permenantly...

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Female Q: Q and I have a plan to end the war. Call off your troops.
Janeway: Do as she says and I'll call my people off.
Female Q: They may be humanoids, but they're using our weapons.
Colonel Q: Cease fire! Cease fire!
Janeway: Tell our people to stop shooting.

She doesn't say 'oh she's just holding an illusion it can't hurt us'?

Nice quote. Ok, those were weapons. So I guess Superman has no innate powers because he used a battle suite against Lobo, huh? You have shown evidence of tech, and shown they use weapons to enhance their ability to kill one another; ok. But you have NOT shown the use of tech when they used their powers to do stuff, have you. It's a lame theory, and everyone knows it. Everyone.

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Why not? Oh yeah, you propose no explanations at all. How typical for a fucking troll.

Waving around an unsupported and ambigous explaination to match your lame unsupported theory; that'd be right.

How is it "unsupported and ambiguous", moron? The fact that the Q do have and use technology has already been demonstrated during the Q civil war, and you have no explanation for why such a being should be incapable of killing himself without outside help.

He can't kill himself because something external sustains him and is beyond his control.....anything to back this shit up? No? What a shame.

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I feel a poll coming on...

Keep up your trolling, and a poll will be unnecessary. You have repeatedly earned and then begged your way out of a VI; this cycle will only repeat so many times before my patience is exhausted.

Beg? No I didn't, you humourless ass.

[Trekdestroyer]

I feel a poll coming on...

Keep up your trolling, and a poll will be unnecessary. You have repeatedly earned and then begged your way out of a VI; this cycle will only repeat so many times before my patience is exhausted.

Beg? No I didn't, you humourless ass.

Mike said it, did he not? I have never known Mike to lie about anything, so you probably did beg at one time or another. I think for the remainder of the thread, you should just stop posting here. Do you honestly want a title?

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Mike said it, did he not? I have never known Mike to lie about anything, so you probably did beg at one time or another. I think for the remainder of the thread, you should just stop posting here. Do you honestly want a title?

yeah ok dude.

[Dalton]

Mike said it, did he not? I have never known Mike to lie about anything, so you probably did beg at one time or another. I think for the remainder of the thread, you should just stop posting here. Do you honestly want a title?

Same goes for you chuckles.

[Kuja]

He can't kill himself because something external sustains him and is beyond his control.....anything to back this shit up? No? What a shame.

And your explanation?

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He can't kill himself because something external sustains him and is beyond his control.....anything to back this shit up? No? What a shame.

And your explanation?

Like his, I can't back it up, so why bother.

[Kuja]

He can't kill himself because something external sustains him and is beyond his control.....anything to back this shit up? No? What a shame.

And your explanation?

Like his, I can't back it up, so why bother.

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So, effectively, you're not even going to try defending a position?

[Stofsk]

So, effectively, you're not even going to try defending a position?

Darth Wong once called BoredShirtless a contrarian. You don't think he was exaggerating, do you?

[Kuja]

So, effectively, you're not even going to try defending a position?

Darth Wong once called BoredShirtless a contrarian. You don't think he was exaggerating, do you?

Let's just say I want to hear it from the horse's mouth.

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And your explanation?

Like his, I can't back it up, so why bother.

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So, effectively, you're not even going to try defending a position?

What are you talking about? How does an unsupported explaination about why he couldn't kill himself add ANYTHING to the tech theory?

Talking about his powers again, have you seen issues relating to tech when Q uses them? Signs of equipment? Dialogue? Anything? No? Well, the tech theory for his powers is crap then, isn't it.

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So, effectively, you're not even going to try defending a position?

Darth Wong once called BoredShirtless a contrarian. You don't think he was exaggerating, do you?

And what does this have to do with anything? Right; nothing. Just like your theory. Hey a trend!

[Stofsk]

Twelve hours later and your trolling bullshit continues.

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Where's your evidence?

[Stofsk]

It has been presented - repeatedly. I'm still waiting for your countertheory.

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You extrapolate his powers are tech based on using weapons in the Continuim...using that logic, I could extrapolate that Superman's powers are tech based too going by his fight with Lobo when he used his battle suite.

When he clicks his fingers, do you see tech? Do you? Huh? Any signs? Issues relating too? Dialogue? No. Do you see signs of tech when Troi probes peoples emotions? No? Exactly. Come back when you have some evidence, jack.