[Ahurazithramis]

[Slartibartfast]

I'm not saying they don't have the freedom to worship what they want. I'm just describing my religion.

And advocating that their government should prevent others from practicing theirs.

[Ahurazithramis]

Putting a bloody piece of meat in the ocean with swimmers around it for the sharks to eat is the same as eating a piece of bread near the water? When you cast spells, it is the same as throwing the bloody piece of meat in the water while the people are feet away from it.

And tell me ONCE AGAIN FROM THE TOP. HOW IS SPELL CASTING DIFFERENT FROM PRAYER?!

Spells are always spirituality which is derived from something opposing God.

[Jason von Evil]

Putting a bloody piece of meat in the ocean with swimmers around it for the sharks to eat is the same as eating a piece of bread near the water? When you cast spells, it is the same as throwing the bloody piece of meat in the water while the people are feet away from it.

No, thats attempted murder, I believe. Totally different from "casting spells".

[Ender]

Putting a bloody piece of meat in the ocean with swimmers around it for the sharks to eat is the same as eating a piece of bread near the water? When you cast spells, it is the same as throwing the bloody piece of meat in the water while the people are feet away from it.

To go with your earlier pressing on statement and analogy, throwing bloody meat in the water next to the swimmer the shark is chewing on would be a good thing, as it would distract it.

And your spells would be even more dangerous. If earth is domain of the devil as you claim, you would be summoning the sharks to the wiccians, instead of distracting them. You are putting together a rather good argument that, instead of banishing all religion from the courtroom like I first thought, we should banish christianity in favor of wiccian.

[Ahurazithramis]

I'm not saying they don't have the freedom to worship what they want. I'm just describing my religion.

And advocating that their government should prevent others from practicing theirs.

Prayers don't open people up to demonic possession.

[Slartibartfast]

Christian prayers are not spells.

To anyone else with an objective view, they are as much as spells and summonings and conjurations as any other religion's.

[Ahurazithramis]

Putting a bloody piece of meat in the ocean with swimmers around it for the sharks to eat is the same as eating a piece of bread near the water? When you cast spells, it is the same as throwing the bloody piece of meat in the water while the people are feet away from it.

No, thats attempted murder, I believe. Totally different from "casting spells".

Not if you don't believe that the shark is attracted to the meat.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Putting a bloody piece of meat in the ocean with swimmers around it for the sharks to eat is the same as eating a piece of bread near the water? When you cast spells, it is the same as throwing the bloody piece of meat in the water while the people are feet away from it.

And tell me ONCE AGAIN FROM THE TOP. HOW IS SPELL CASTING DIFFERENT FROM PRAYER?!

Spells are always spirituality which is derived from something opposing God.

Prove to me in a scientifically-verifiable way that this thing you refer to as 'God' exists and has the properties you describe. Then AND ONLY then will I believe you. Occam's Razor is with me and against you.

[Ahurazithramis]

Christian prayers are not spells.

To anyone else with an objective view, they are as much as spells and summonings and conjurations as any other religion's.

I've known my religion for 15 years. Believe me I have experience with prayer.

[Ender]

Putting a bloody piece of meat in the ocean with swimmers around it for the sharks to eat is the same as eating a piece of bread near the water? When you cast spells, it is the same as throwing the bloody piece of meat in the water while the people are feet away from it.

And tell me ONCE AGAIN FROM THE TOP. HOW IS SPELL CASTING DIFFERENT FROM PRAYER?!

Spells are always spirituality which is derived from something opposing God.

Wait, earlier you said all things were spiritual. God is everywhere, and all things. So according to you, God is opposed to God?

Wow, I'm really smart, God holds the same opinions I do!

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I'm not saying they don't have the freedom to worship what they want. I'm just describing my religion.

And advocating that their government should prevent others from practicing theirs.

Prayers don't open people up to demonic possession.

Neither does spellcasting BECAUSE DEMONS DO NOT EXIST NOR DO THEY POSSESS ANYTHING.

[Ender]

Christian prayers are not spells.

To anyone else with an objective view, they are as much as spells and summonings and conjurations as any other religion's.

I've known my religion for 15 years. Believe me I have experience with prayer.

And I've got 22. Prayers and spells are identical. Both are expressions of hope that some outside force will accomplish something for them. No difference.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Putting a bloody piece of meat in the ocean with swimmers around it for the sharks to eat is the same as eating a piece of bread near the water? When you cast spells, it is the same as throwing the bloody piece of meat in the water while the people are feet away from it.

No, thats attempted murder, I believe. Totally different from "casting spells".

Not if you don't believe that the shark is attracted to the meat.

Hmm, is that a big fat RED HERRING I smell in the water? <SHARK>CHOMP!</SHARK>

[Slartibartfast]

I'm not saying they don't have the freedom to worship what they want. I'm just describing my religion.

And advocating that their government should prevent others from practicing theirs.

Prayers don't open people up to demonic possession.

Yes they do, and I say so, because I have personal evidence.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Christian prayers are not spells.

To anyone else with an objective view, they are as much as spells and summonings and conjurations as any other religion's.

I've known my religion for 15 years. Believe me I have experience with prayer.

Appeal to Authority. Sorry, that doesn't work around here. Enjoy your spiffy new CT.

[Ender]

I'm not saying they don't have the freedom to worship what they want. I'm just describing my religion.

And advocating that their government should prevent others from practicing theirs.

Prayers don't open people up to demonic possession.

From the point of view of the wiccians, what exactly would speaking in tongues and other thigs be then? Christians say its God controling them and working through them, sounds like possession to me.

[Raxmei]

Would you agree to keeping the Bible and Christian prayer out of courthouses if it meant keeping other religions such as Wicca out? A lot of people would prefer to have nobody praying there over having everybody pray there. Arguments about which religions are right and wrong aside, the issue at hand is that the government is playing favorites, which it isn't supposed to do.

[Jason von Evil]

Putting a bloody piece of meat in the ocean with swimmers around it for the sharks to eat is the same as eating a piece of bread near the water? When you cast spells, it is the same as throwing the bloody piece of meat in the water while the people are feet away from it.

No, thats attempted murder, I believe. Totally different from "casting spells".

Not if you don't believe that the shark is attracted to the meat.

Which is bullshit. Everyone knows Sharks are attracted to blood. Worst.analogy.ever.

[Ahurazithramis]

Not everyone. Little children may not.

[Slartibartfast]

When you pray to God to make other people be nicer, you're in fact having your demon Holy Spirit try to possess them.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

And advocating that their government should prevent others from practicing theirs.

Prayers don't open people up to demonic possession.

Yes they do, and I say so, because I have personal evidence.

LMAO!

The only relationship between prayer and Evil is that certain people are Evil and HIDE BEHIND PRAYER TO APPEAR 'GOOD'.

[Ahurazithramis]

When you're trying to be cute and sarcastic, God kills a kitten.

[Slartibartfast]

When you're trying to be cute and sarcastic, God kills a kitten.

Every time Vin Diesel kills God, a kitten masturbates.

[Ender]

A free bit of wisdom for you chuckles: If we are having such an easy time swapping out the views between you and the wiccians, its not because we are evil spirits who are doing the devils work. It's because we long ago realized all religions, no matter what the believe in, have the smae basic structure to them. Which means that fundamentally, you are all the same. Or, you may disagree if its a comma or a flyspeck on verse umptysquat or whatever and thus think someone else is your mortal enemy and trying to bring you to evil, but really you are not at all different in structure and core beliefs.

Which is why being oppossed to another belief system is such bullshit.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

When you're trying to be cute and sarcastic, God kills a kitten.

Once again, FROM THE TOP, AGAIN.

Until you give us scientific proof of your Sky Fairy you call God, that term will be meaningless to us in this debate.

And besides, the kitten in my lap is merely sleeping.