BoredShirtless wrote:SirNitram wrote:BoredShirtless wrote:Moron, it's the other way around; we await reasons why he should be included. You would put a horse in a table of mechanical engines, just because they both produce power? Say you come across an object. Before categorizing it, you have to first examine it. We have examined Q. There are no signs of tech. There are signs for innate powers. Therefore, he does not belong in Stravo's tech trend.
Snapping fingers does not and never has indicated magic.
Producing results without evidence of using tech indicates magic, dumbass, not just snapping fingers, wiggling noses, or crossing arms and nodding heads. In another way, he belongs in the magic table not because there are already items in that table which use magic by snapping fingers, but because:
Ah, it's so cute when another blind idiot tries to tell me what makes something magic. By BullShitter here's definition, a Clapper you can't see is magic, and a sorcerer's wand is technology.
- We don't observe any tech; we see no issues which are associated with using tech. No power fluctuations, no breakdowns, no equipment; nothing.
Outright lie. We see flashes of light, we see Q who cannot use their powers, and we see equipment(Q and The Grey). Strike one.
[*]The way they use their powers is instant, seemingly effortless, and above all, supernatural. They just click their fingers, just like Samantha wiggling her nose in Bewitched. [/list]
Again, by this argument, me using a Clapper you can't see is Magic. I wish it were so easy to Willwork, but sadly, the rest of us here live in the 21st century. When you're ready to come through the Age Of Reason and catch up, do tell us, little troll.
If you don't see magic after all that, you're fucking blind.....or, you are arguing a stupid theory only because you're on the starwars side.
Or I know what magic and technology are in literature and film, actually comprehend logic and reason, and you can't stand these simple facts. Now we'll listen to your screamings throughout the rest of your post..
As the moderator of the Fantasy forum, I daresay I have vastly more experience in dealing with beings with complex and mysterious magical/psionic/supernatural powers.
I'm in awe.
Then no argument that I am a competent authority on the matter? Excellent!
Snapping fingers is not under the 'Instantly magic' heading. You are a liar.
Yes it is; Q's under it. See above.
'Yes it is!' is not a logical argument. No logical argument, means an automatic concession.
I see you have no evidence then. Concession accepted.
I didn't offer any concession, dipshit. Everywhere we look, there is evidence of magic; there is no evidence of tech. You can try hiding your theory behind explainations on how it would all work using future Fed tech [Darth Wong's last post], but your sides unsupported explainations doesn't add much strength to your theory.
Sorry, child, but the explanation works perfectly well. It clarifies the entire thing while obeying the basic principles of logic and reason, and within Parsimony. Yours relies on 10th century superstition(I didn't see no flint'n'steel! That little bitty of wood with a red bit is magic!).
I have explained the evidence of technology. You simply refuse that it exists. Your trollish behavior is so noted.
Q did not use tech. Q said he was depicting the fight in a way which there minds could understand. Those weren't muskets. Q has given and taken powers away from humans before [Riker], so it is logical to assume he gave them powers when they got to the Continuim. That is a much better explaination then pulling tech from out of your ass; we've seen them bestow powers before, we have never seen tech before.
Outright lies in regards to Q and the Grey. Fuck off and die, troll.
Lack of rebuttal and crying noted. Get some tissues, cry baby.
The rebuttal is inherent, child. You lied about Q and the Grey. Please do offer some way to reconcile your lies with it or stop chanting your stupidity.
Holodecks was stated in the episode? Bullshit, show me the quote.
He was displaying it in terms they could perceive. Display, dumbass. That would rather indicate illusion... Unless one is a lying troll like you who thinks that explicitly showing tools isn't showing tools.
let me get this straight; just because he said the word "display", means he used a holodeck? BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
It means the simplest explanation is that it used illusion, you ignorant little jackass. And those of us not living in the Dark Ages understand that 'Simplest and most logical' equals 'best'.
Everytime he uses them! When he clicks his fingers, the Enterprise gets tossed light years away. Or his outfit changes. Or whatever. It all looks very fucking innate to me.
So you have no objective evidence. Very well, concession accepted.
That IS objective evidence, you moron.
You apparently have no idea what 'objective evidence' for a theory is. The Enterprise gets tossed light years; Q does this, but so does a Transwarp Conduit. By your pathetic mindset, both are magic.
I can't give you a good explaination.
So far correct...
And neither can you for your theory.
LIE LIE LIE.
How did he give Q tech to Riker? How did he give him innate powers? Who knows, not enough info. Snap of the fingers, Riker has their powers. Snap, ship gets tossed. So much evidence supporting innate powers....NO evidence supporting tech.
LIE LIE LIE. You can give access to the tech by telling the subspace satellites or whatever that this person(Marked by DNA or whatever) is now to be obeyed as a Q. How can you give innate powers? You can't.
Again. You have shown no evidence.
Do you know what a good explaination needs? Evidence. You have none, you're pulling things from your ass. Q Satellites? DNA? Stop wasting my time, dumbass.
Q technology has been shown in Q and The Grey. The limitations of it have also been shown and noted. Your evidence? Oh yes, none.
You're extrapolating that the Q are a juiced up version of the Federation based on results only. You blatanlty ignore method, and I don't blame you, because you have no evidence showing the methods are the same. Your theory sucks shit.
Your case of projection is getting worse. I've shown my evidence from Q and The Grey. You have shown no evidence. Fuck off and stop lying, troll.
The evidence from Q and the Grey doesn't support tech. Grow a brain, dumbass.
'No it doesn't!' is not a logical rebuttal. Are you going to actually try and debate, troll?
Right. And because we don't observe interaction with tech [clapping interacts with a mic], and using all the other evidence we have, the theory that he has innate powers carries more weight then the theory that he is activating tech. It's a shame you don't have a shred of evidence, isn't it?
You really should stop confusing our positions, you ignorant little troll. You are the one repeatedly asked for evidence, and the best you can do is 'IT LOOKS LIKE INNATE TO ME' without any objective reasoning. I, on the other hand, have an outright explicit tool-use example, and simple, logical explanations. Your lying about our positions bores me.
Your interpretation of that episode is clearly wrong, I've shown that above and before. You also have to ignore all the rest of the evidence showing innate to accomodate your dumbass interpretation. Grow a brain, dumbass.
You have shown nothing of the sort, child. You simply keep chanting 'IT LOOKS INNATE TO ME!!!!!' over and over like some shit-encrusted peasant.
Clown, "why?" is not refusing to debate, it's a question. What a dumbass.
Troll, show some abilities that cannot be explained as technological. That is the only way to prove your laughable position in the face of the evidence presented. I realize you are just here to troll and thus ignore all evidence, but do try.
It's the other way around. Grow a brain, dumbass.
'I am rubber and you are glue... Uh.. Uh.. DUMBASS! YEA!'
It's so laughable to have this debate after perusing writings on medieval superstition. BoredShirtless is a
carbon copy of the peasants of the day, beleiving anything to be magic. A little metal pipe on wood that spits fire and death? A MAGIC WAND! A little bitty of wood you strike for a flame? WITCH, WITCH, BURN HER! A blacksmith's careful procedures to keep his shop clean? HE'S SHOOING AWAY EVIL SPIRITS!
Manic Progressive: A liberal who violently swings from anger at politicos to despondency over them.
Out Of Context theatre: Ron Paul has repeatedly said he's not a racist. - Destructinator XIII on why Ron Paul isn't racist.
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