What I've been saying that, as a classification system, this stinks.PainRack wrote:Except the classification is based on how much damage is dealt to the target, at what range. Not what the weapon is.
I have, among other TR's in the 3026 book:Errata: The Scattergun fires rounds at a much faster VELOCITY. Not ROF, than the "standard" 20mm gun.
Check my earlier post, alternatively, Bulldog TR 3026.
Similar tradeoffs are seen in other vehicles:Battletech TR 3026: Bulldog Medium Tank p58 wrote:The Bulldog Minigun is a small machine-gun mounted in the bow of the tank. Like most miniguns, it sacrifices a heavy-caliber round for a high rate of fire.
Battletech TR 3026: Scorpion Light Tank p22 wrote:The 20mm gatling gun is a time-proven weapon, giving the Scorpion good defensive firepower with plenty of punch. Though some users of the tank have tried 30mm machine guns, the Gatling gun's high rate of fire makes larger shells unnecessary.
Battletech TR 3026: Personal Scale Weapons p108 wrote:The Support Machine Gun is similar in design to the machine guns used on 'Mechs. In general, most Sp-MG's are a smaller caliber than most 'Mech Equivalents, but have a higher rate of fire...the Sp-MG weighs 40 kilograms.
We went from jamming due, potentially, to heat issues, to jamming due to any issue whatsoever. It's a bit of a jump and a deviation.And? Who said that ammo jams are limited to autocannons only? The assasin is infamous for its missiles jamming. If its solely autocannon, then the Orion 19 round clip then.
It can be, but in this case, I don't think you'd actually want mech armor to be magnetic.From what I understand of latin, ferrous does mean iron in nature, although it used to indicate magnetism.
More importantly, the key emphasis is on the aluminium or titanium forming the basis or majority of the armour. Even then, its clearly seen through effects and comments on how fragile aerospace fighters are compared to mechs, that the protection afforded by aerospace armour is weaker.
You, I'm afraid, have missed the point. At 450m and up, a medium laser no longer requires the minimum amount of energy to ablate even one point of mech armor. That it still has enough energy to do damage to aerospace fighters is irrelevant. No armor in BTech can be held comperable to any armor in any other universe through direct armor/protection comparison, as it is a fallacious arguement. One must take the firepower against everyday objects and protection against conventional things into perspective when deriving relative firepower and protection values.Secondly, you missed the point.
The weapons are the SAME. Mech weapons and AT weapons are equivalent in every aspect. Therefore, the fact that the lasers in AT don't dissipate out at 450m is proof that the "true" range of these weapons are kilometers in nature, and as such, against any other force like modern earth or possibly HG, the AT range should be the one used.
Actually, my point still stands. You've done nothing to disprove it, just show that AT fighters are considerably less resiliant than mechs, which have already proven to be much less than potent in resisting damage. If destroying mechs is relatively easy, AT will die in droves to the dedicated air defenses of HG.This is an inescapable point. While projectile weapons like the ACs and Gauss rifle may be dismissed due to speed and mass problems, missiles are discounted thanks to their extremely low payload, energy weapons don't suffer from a "realism" flaw in the range theory. Therefore, there is no reason why mech energy weapons cannot compare to the ranges of modern tank guns, with the only flaw against modern units being their relatively weaker accuracy.(Abysmal comes into play once we input game mechanics. Actually, make that horrendously, cursed with Jinxed and blinded.)
Evasion is simply the art of not being where the barrel is pointed at the time the other guy pulls the trigger. Either against a cannon or a laser, if you're lined up with the barrel when the other guy pulls the trigger, you're boned.I'm suggesting that the conductive ability of the armour is fast. Considering the relative unstability of the platforms, it not unrealistic.
Its required under the various timings we worked out. Energy weapons shouldn't be firing longer than the 0.9s of projectile weapons and its specifically mentioned that mechs can "evade" enemy fire. Given the absurdity against energy weapons, the armour must be key to this evasive ability.
Okay, so the conductive ability of the armor is fast. It doesn't change the fact that a small laser which has to be amped up in power in order to one-shot wood houses into combustion can still ablate mech armor. Given that minimum ablation level, things don't look good, to be honest.
Well, we can do three or four calculations, with different variables each time. One standing still, one walking, one running, one in reverse, and so on.It was just described to be in a run..... assuming max running speed, that would be 65kph. Of course, I can't give you the speed of the target, therefore, no relative speeds.
We'll use city roads, as that's a reasonably steady terrain. Ice is just unfair.Skidding actually occurs on "smooth" terrain.. like city roads and ice.
Don't suppose you have a link to them, do you?Other Btechers have done the numbers before. LC for example did a relatively exhaustive series, including matching it to armour point value. They're absurdly low. Especially for the physical calcs, which are extremely high value for the punching and kicking calcs.
Well, I can definately see why you don't like that author.Anyway, I was rereadig a novel. Despite my dislike for the novel in terms of technical accuracy,(despite the fact that the author authors Btech sourcebooks, he still can conflict with them. Sigh)
Anyway, because i was doing some research on T&T for the technical thread, I just thought I post some firepower related quotes here, so I can combine them later in that thread anyway.
Chapter 20, Test of Vengenance. We ignore why the boots are "glossy". Like I said, the author is the worst of both worlds. As a Btech sourcebook author, he display no common sense. As a Btech novelist, he ignores the finer details of Btech, going for Btech lite.then turned quickly and fired his support laser at the enemy foot soldier who had managed to sneak around behind him.The weapon, designed for use against armor, left nothing behind but a pair of high-gloss combat boots trailing wisps of smoke where the DCMS soldier had been.
I...um, don't recall ever disputing that. Mechs tend to range from 7-10m in height. There are many trees much taller than that in the world.Proof that trees were taller than mechs.she blasted her Viper into the air on pillars of flame shooting from its three-toed feet. In moments, it rose above the forest canopy and out of sight.
However, if you want to be technical, the way it is worded does not necessary indicate the mech itself was taller than the trees, just that its jump jets were capable of propelling it higher than the treeline.
Hate to say it, but a stick of dynamite can demolish a tree easily enough. Additionally, such an impact should have shredded the trees easily. Wood does not react well to high levels of force, especially untreated living wood.Chapter 20, Test of Vengenance.A massive explosion erupted less than fifty meters away, tearing up trees by their roots and sending them flying in all directions. one hit Ben's Nova square in the shoulder, and the Mech staggered back a few steps.
Oddly enough, it suggests that aerospace fighters bombs(presumably GP and laserguided) are strong enough to uproot 12-15m tall trees and send them flying 50m, to impact on a mech.
Yeah, that author seems to be smoking something. A bomb detonates 50m away and tosses trees around, but the explosive force itself doesn't touch the mech? Ah well.Its not directly contraindicated, unlike the SMGs and DEST portion....... but nowhere is it suggested in BMR that the bombs are that powerful. Unless of course, the aerospace fighters are delivering much more powerful bombs than norm. Still, why would any self-respecting force drop a bomb that's concentrated towards over-pressure as opposed to damage?
Like I said, the author the worst of both worlds. No common sense, contradicts the gritty details of Btech.
. Some information's in the Black Talon book, some in the three space books. Accelerations range from about 0.2g for Gateships (placing them at Jumpship levels) to 4g for slow battleships (roughly equivalent to a quick Warship) to 9g for the Northern space fighter (similar to medium Aerospace fighters)