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There's midnight screenings and the thing comes out tomorrow, so I'm bumping it back up!
Review thread part 2 for "Serenity"(spoilers, duh)
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Review thread part 2 for "Serenity"(spoilers, duh)
You can't take the review thread from me.
There's midnight screenings and the thing comes out tomorrow, so I'm bumping it back up!
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The prescreens didn't have music? Ha ha, I say, you prescreening elite! :p
I saw it last night. I was impressed: rather than being a long episode, it had a *theme* and things *happened*. When a group of nobodies threatens to destroy a powerful government, they don't just get the cops to chase them. It wasn't shot like a science fiction movie; it was just a movie. Good stuff.
Mals little 'nerve cluster' thing was weak, but then him holding his own was pretty weak in my opinion. But I've heard I hate everything
I saw it last night. I was impressed: rather than being a long episode, it had a *theme* and things *happened*. When a group of nobodies threatens to destroy a powerful government, they don't just get the cops to chase them. It wasn't shot like a science fiction movie; it was just a movie. Good stuff.
Mals little 'nerve cluster' thing was weak, but then him holding his own was pretty weak in my opinion. But I've heard I hate everything
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The first 3 prescreenings I saw didn't have music. The fourth did, though.Stark wrote:The prescreens didn't have music? Ha ha, I say, you prescreening elite! :p
I saw it last night. I was impressed: rather than being a long episode, it had a *theme* and things *happened*. When a group of nobodies threatens to destroy a powerful government, they don't just get the cops to chase them. It wasn't shot like a science fiction movie; it was just a movie. Good stuff.
Mals little 'nerve cluster' thing was weak, but then him holding his own was pretty weak in my opinion. But I've heard I hate everything
The nerve cluster and the taking the beatings, that was classic Whedon. Nobody takes a beating like Malcolm Reynolds.
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So is this the full spoiler thread in which we can post all our reactions to Serenity and stuff? Because i saw it yesterday and i've got a bunch of stuff i'm excited to talk about.
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Spoilerize with spoiler space and go nuts. Someone trimmed my necromanced thread, but this is the place for spoilers.
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At the end of class, my Topics in World Cinema professor told everyone to go see Serenity this weekend, prompting a few people in the room (including myself) to laugh.
This woman specialises in Latin American cinema, and is about my parents' age (50s). I said that I never would have pegged her as a Firefly fan...
This woman specialises in Latin American cinema, and is about my parents' age (50s). I said that I never would have pegged her as a Firefly fan...
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OK, note that this entire post is full of spoilers.
Now, i haven't read the comics, so people who have can probably answer a lot of things.
Firstly, the entire scene at the beginning where Simon rescues River absolutely rocked. I was really happy about seeing exactly how he managed to extract her in the first place, and we finally get to see it.
Simon has really developed, i was surpised he'd stand up to Mal and then later actually floor him! I guess living out in the black for a while has hardened him. He even takes a swig of the booze Jayne slides across to him. For some reason Mal no longer considers him one of his crew like he did at the end of Safe, was this change covered by the comics?
If i mainly talk about the things i thought weren't quite right, that's because i saw it as a great movie with off parts rather than a bad movie with ok parts.
It got slow in the middle, and i thought it was going to pick up when River attacked Jayne and Simon, but i think it got a bit aimless until they dress up Serenity as a Reaver ship. When they got onto Miranda the whole suspense and mystery thing seemed sort of angsty, and the trippy spinning-around camerawork gave me a headache.
It didn't really have any happy bits in it, in the series you got to see what Mal and the crew were like when they were mellow or just getting on with chores or whatever, but everything in Serenity was serious/passionate/pathos-ish with a few jokes sprinkled in. (But i have to admit Kaylee's complaining that for ages she hasn't 'had anything twix her nethers that doesn't need batteries' was hilarious).
The big space battle was great, we finally see what space battle looks like in the Firefly-verse, with missiles and tracer fire everywhere and Reavers being fond of grappling or tearing apart ships. Although it would've been nice to get a bigger view of what was going on rather than all the claustrophobic close-ups.
I didn't really feel the fact that Zoe was hiding her pain about Wash's death under her military training, so her little out-of-control vengeance spree seemed somehow hollow.
How could Mal hold his own against the Operative in the final showdown? I can understand if he was being toyed with in the scene in Inara's room, with the Operative's Morpheus-esque "What do you think you're going to accomplish here" (or something like that). But being a uber-assassin i really would have thought Mal would get dead in a few seconds in the serious showdown.
The door being only able to be closed from the outside and the big computer rig sitting above a Pit-O-Doom seemed a bit contrived. Also the way Serenity got dramatically smashed to bits then at the end it's all put back together seemed a bit 'reset buttony'.
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More technical stuff:
Judging by the point-flashes on Earth's surface, the economic strife of Earth 'being used up' led to a nuclear world war.
The Firefly-verse now definitely takes place in one system, that just happens to have a huge number of bodies. "Dozens of planets and hundreds of moons", means there's probably a lower limit of 224 and upper limit of 1095 (96+999) planets and moons in the system.
I can't remember, so does anyone else know if we see the Firefly sun in the opening space scene? I think it might have been yellow, which puts a limit on how big the system's habitability zone is.
Was the planet Inara was on Sihnon? And was Book back at the monastery on Persephone?
Why exactly did they have to go through that big collection of Reaver ships to get to Miranda? Was that really the easiest way in, so they couldn't go around? It's a bit confusing.
Also, why didn't the Reavers land on and pillage Miranda?
When they mention Miranda has normal everything including gravity, it made me wonder- how is Firefly terraforming supposed to change the gravity of planets and moons?
Why wasn't the Serenity crew affected by The Pax? Why wasn't it still in the air?
I got the impression it's not as realistic as the tv show. E.g. Simon's planar energy-grenade, the new Mule being a typical scifi hovering antigravity vehicle, the cliche-nebula-like Ion Cloud around Mr Universe's planet, the Reaver EMP glowing beam cannon.
It's weird at the end how they're flying through rain, then they're above the clouds, then then fly up a bit and they're already in space. Reminded me of ROTS's sudden 'We're in the atmosphere!'.
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Stuff that wasn't in it:
What ever happened to the 'Hands of Blue' guys? They were nowhere to be seen!
It didn't involve Blue Sun at all, except i saw an ad on Mr Universe's big multi-screen display.
Alliance gunships like the ones seen many times in the series (the fighter-jet-like ships) were absent or not seen visibly.
The Ballad of Serenity, or a variation thereof. At least a reference like "You can't take the sky from me" or something would've been nice.
The Reaver split tongue. Since the proto-Reaver in Bushwacked cut his tongue down the middle to 'make himself look like one', i figured we'd see split Reaver tongues.
I think that for someone who hasn't seen the series, they didn't really make the bilingualism/multiculturalism very clear. I expect a lot of people kept thinking 'I didn't quite catch what that guy just said'. In fact i often found myself thinking that from the sheer denseness of things to see/hear/understand.
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Other musings:
When they're robbing the security firm, i thought i heard the guy say 'Give me your Opposition password' before they spray a volley in reply. Is this Opposition some kind of anti-Alliance organisation like the Rebellion in SW?
Why didn't Mal or Inara kill the Operative with a shot to the head after he was flashbanged by Inara's 'incense'?
Book's past remains a mystery. I mean, did Whedon even have any future plans about why he wasn't who he seemed? This reminded me of a Red vs Blue PSA where Sarge is briefing them about the upcoming campaign but to any question they ask he just says 'Sorry, that's classified', and at the end Church whispers '...I don't think you know either'.
Where on earth did that weird Uber-Bow thing come from that Inara used on the Reavers coming through the choke point?
Am i the only who saw Book's first name as being Derria? I looked it up later and people were saying it was Derrial, but i could've sworn i read 'Derria'.
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Little things i noticed, trivia, etc:
We see a biography of Mal flash on a screen of the Operative, but i can't remember any of it.
When they first touchdown on Miranda, Jayne is wearing a yellow spacesuit instead of their normal ones, but Mal and Zoe are using the old ones from the series. Perhaps it was a replacement for the one Jayne shot through using Vera in the series?
I don't know if Jayne had this before, but there was a patch on his jacket that looked like a US military rank insignia. When i looked it up, the closest i found was either USMC Master Gunnery Sergeant, Major Sergeant or Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps (not sure which).
Wrestling moves- in the barfight, Jayne flips a guy upside down, hugs him and slams his head into the ground (i'm sure it has a name). Also at the end Mal pulls off this move where grabs the Operative then dislocates both his shoulders simultaneously.
Those six decoys that shot out of Serenity looked a lot like the scene in TESB where the hyperspace pods zoom out of the ISD in all directions. I guess these would be Cry-Babies #7-13?
That AA gun they bolted onto the roof looked like something straight out of a WWII exhibit, can anyone identify what it was? I had a coolest-shit-ever moment when Mal opened up on that Reaver scapper, it was brilliant.
The box-like cargo section of Serenity nearly came off the rest of the ship in the big crash landing, possibly suggesting that entire part is modular?
Wash's death by 'surprising impalement while still in pilot's chair' reminded me of Trinity's death in Matrix Revolutions.
Now, i haven't read the comics, so people who have can probably answer a lot of things.
Firstly, the entire scene at the beginning where Simon rescues River absolutely rocked. I was really happy about seeing exactly how he managed to extract her in the first place, and we finally get to see it.
Simon has really developed, i was surpised he'd stand up to Mal and then later actually floor him! I guess living out in the black for a while has hardened him. He even takes a swig of the booze Jayne slides across to him. For some reason Mal no longer considers him one of his crew like he did at the end of Safe, was this change covered by the comics?
If i mainly talk about the things i thought weren't quite right, that's because i saw it as a great movie with off parts rather than a bad movie with ok parts.
It got slow in the middle, and i thought it was going to pick up when River attacked Jayne and Simon, but i think it got a bit aimless until they dress up Serenity as a Reaver ship. When they got onto Miranda the whole suspense and mystery thing seemed sort of angsty, and the trippy spinning-around camerawork gave me a headache.
It didn't really have any happy bits in it, in the series you got to see what Mal and the crew were like when they were mellow or just getting on with chores or whatever, but everything in Serenity was serious/passionate/pathos-ish with a few jokes sprinkled in. (But i have to admit Kaylee's complaining that for ages she hasn't 'had anything twix her nethers that doesn't need batteries' was hilarious).
The big space battle was great, we finally see what space battle looks like in the Firefly-verse, with missiles and tracer fire everywhere and Reavers being fond of grappling or tearing apart ships. Although it would've been nice to get a bigger view of what was going on rather than all the claustrophobic close-ups.
I didn't really feel the fact that Zoe was hiding her pain about Wash's death under her military training, so her little out-of-control vengeance spree seemed somehow hollow.
How could Mal hold his own against the Operative in the final showdown? I can understand if he was being toyed with in the scene in Inara's room, with the Operative's Morpheus-esque "What do you think you're going to accomplish here" (or something like that). But being a uber-assassin i really would have thought Mal would get dead in a few seconds in the serious showdown.
The door being only able to be closed from the outside and the big computer rig sitting above a Pit-O-Doom seemed a bit contrived. Also the way Serenity got dramatically smashed to bits then at the end it's all put back together seemed a bit 'reset buttony'.
-----------
More technical stuff:
Judging by the point-flashes on Earth's surface, the economic strife of Earth 'being used up' led to a nuclear world war.
The Firefly-verse now definitely takes place in one system, that just happens to have a huge number of bodies. "Dozens of planets and hundreds of moons", means there's probably a lower limit of 224 and upper limit of 1095 (96+999) planets and moons in the system.
I can't remember, so does anyone else know if we see the Firefly sun in the opening space scene? I think it might have been yellow, which puts a limit on how big the system's habitability zone is.
Was the planet Inara was on Sihnon? And was Book back at the monastery on Persephone?
Why exactly did they have to go through that big collection of Reaver ships to get to Miranda? Was that really the easiest way in, so they couldn't go around? It's a bit confusing.
Also, why didn't the Reavers land on and pillage Miranda?
When they mention Miranda has normal everything including gravity, it made me wonder- how is Firefly terraforming supposed to change the gravity of planets and moons?
Why wasn't the Serenity crew affected by The Pax? Why wasn't it still in the air?
I got the impression it's not as realistic as the tv show. E.g. Simon's planar energy-grenade, the new Mule being a typical scifi hovering antigravity vehicle, the cliche-nebula-like Ion Cloud around Mr Universe's planet, the Reaver EMP glowing beam cannon.
It's weird at the end how they're flying through rain, then they're above the clouds, then then fly up a bit and they're already in space. Reminded me of ROTS's sudden 'We're in the atmosphere!'.
--------------
Stuff that wasn't in it:
What ever happened to the 'Hands of Blue' guys? They were nowhere to be seen!
It didn't involve Blue Sun at all, except i saw an ad on Mr Universe's big multi-screen display.
Alliance gunships like the ones seen many times in the series (the fighter-jet-like ships) were absent or not seen visibly.
The Ballad of Serenity, or a variation thereof. At least a reference like "You can't take the sky from me" or something would've been nice.
The Reaver split tongue. Since the proto-Reaver in Bushwacked cut his tongue down the middle to 'make himself look like one', i figured we'd see split Reaver tongues.
I think that for someone who hasn't seen the series, they didn't really make the bilingualism/multiculturalism very clear. I expect a lot of people kept thinking 'I didn't quite catch what that guy just said'. In fact i often found myself thinking that from the sheer denseness of things to see/hear/understand.
----------------
Other musings:
When they're robbing the security firm, i thought i heard the guy say 'Give me your Opposition password' before they spray a volley in reply. Is this Opposition some kind of anti-Alliance organisation like the Rebellion in SW?
Why didn't Mal or Inara kill the Operative with a shot to the head after he was flashbanged by Inara's 'incense'?
Book's past remains a mystery. I mean, did Whedon even have any future plans about why he wasn't who he seemed? This reminded me of a Red vs Blue PSA where Sarge is briefing them about the upcoming campaign but to any question they ask he just says 'Sorry, that's classified', and at the end Church whispers '...I don't think you know either'.
Where on earth did that weird Uber-Bow thing come from that Inara used on the Reavers coming through the choke point?
Am i the only who saw Book's first name as being Derria? I looked it up later and people were saying it was Derrial, but i could've sworn i read 'Derria'.
---------------
Little things i noticed, trivia, etc:
We see a biography of Mal flash on a screen of the Operative, but i can't remember any of it.
When they first touchdown on Miranda, Jayne is wearing a yellow spacesuit instead of their normal ones, but Mal and Zoe are using the old ones from the series. Perhaps it was a replacement for the one Jayne shot through using Vera in the series?
I don't know if Jayne had this before, but there was a patch on his jacket that looked like a US military rank insignia. When i looked it up, the closest i found was either USMC Master Gunnery Sergeant, Major Sergeant or Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps (not sure which).
Wrestling moves- in the barfight, Jayne flips a guy upside down, hugs him and slams his head into the ground (i'm sure it has a name). Also at the end Mal pulls off this move where grabs the Operative then dislocates both his shoulders simultaneously.
Those six decoys that shot out of Serenity looked a lot like the scene in TESB where the hyperspace pods zoom out of the ISD in all directions. I guess these would be Cry-Babies #7-13?
That AA gun they bolted onto the roof looked like something straight out of a WWII exhibit, can anyone identify what it was? I had a coolest-shit-ever moment when Mal opened up on that Reaver scapper, it was brilliant.
The box-like cargo section of Serenity nearly came off the rest of the ship in the big crash landing, possibly suggesting that entire part is modular?
Wash's death by 'surprising impalement while still in pilot's chair' reminded me of Trinity's death in Matrix Revolutions.
Robert Gilruth to Max Faget on the Apollo program: “Max, we’re going to go back there one day, and when we do, they’re going to find out how tough it is.”
Spoiler space? What kind of moron reads a review thread in OSF and worries about spoilers? Sigh.
I'd like to add to some of Winstons points. Jayne always had a different suit. The ships emerged directly from the flashes on the surface, for what it's worth. The psicops are in one shot during Simons breakout. It's 'authorisation' password. That AA gun is indeed a WWII relic. And never mention Trinitys horrible, drawn-out 'these are my last words honest' death scene again!
The 'research and rescue' (heh) ship is in good condition (despite Jayne) and clean, despite a woman being raped and murdered there. Indeed, the whole city showed no sign of being the site of an orgy of destruction.
I missed it the first time, but they descend a shaft to get to Haven, but Haven appears to be sunny. Does this make sense?
Having seen it again, I noticed that both the reaver fleet and the Alliance fleet had ships that looked like the colony ships shown at the start of the movie. I also realised that they're allowed to have sound in the fleet battle because it's inside the crazy cloud.
Mals ability to fight on became even more ridiculous, especially after taking a sword through the kidney. The success of the heroes isn't down to 'belief', or 'truth' or 'love' or any of the other motifs used in the movie - it's down to Mals immunity to Op-mans finishing move. I think that's really, really weak. Destroying his faith in the Alliance was great - but Mal winning because 'he's immune to that' is ugh.
It's a good movie. It's hilarious, to my mind, that I've now seen the DOOM trailer twice because of this movie. Why didn't Star Trek ever use symbols so effectively? Mal even gets a halo!
I'd like to add to some of Winstons points. Jayne always had a different suit. The ships emerged directly from the flashes on the surface, for what it's worth. The psicops are in one shot during Simons breakout. It's 'authorisation' password. That AA gun is indeed a WWII relic. And never mention Trinitys horrible, drawn-out 'these are my last words honest' death scene again!
The 'research and rescue' (heh) ship is in good condition (despite Jayne) and clean, despite a woman being raped and murdered there. Indeed, the whole city showed no sign of being the site of an orgy of destruction.
I missed it the first time, but they descend a shaft to get to Haven, but Haven appears to be sunny. Does this make sense?
Having seen it again, I noticed that both the reaver fleet and the Alliance fleet had ships that looked like the colony ships shown at the start of the movie. I also realised that they're allowed to have sound in the fleet battle because it's inside the crazy cloud.
Mals ability to fight on became even more ridiculous, especially after taking a sword through the kidney. The success of the heroes isn't down to 'belief', or 'truth' or 'love' or any of the other motifs used in the movie - it's down to Mals immunity to Op-mans finishing move. I think that's really, really weak. Destroying his faith in the Alliance was great - but Mal winning because 'he's immune to that' is ugh.
It's a good movie. It's hilarious, to my mind, that I've now seen the DOOM trailer twice because of this movie. Why didn't Star Trek ever use symbols so effectively? Mal even gets a halo!
blue hand guys died in the comics. They attack serenity, and Simon smashes one's head in with the dumbell. The other is still in their shuttle, and after a bit of a chase, Wash cooks him by lighting of the main engine, ala how they killed the Reavers in the pilot. Its then said at the end that they were outside contractors (WTF?), and the Operative is given the job.
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Color me lucky. Local theaters are going to show Serenity and I am going to watch it in less then 40 minutes. Finaly started catching Firefly episodes on Scifi and I think its a good series. Good character interactions, good stories.
"If the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. If the law is on your side, pound on the law. If neither is on your side, pound on the table."
"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."
"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."
Oh my god... I've seen parts of only three episodes (they all looked very good), and I LOVE this movie.
"If the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. If the law is on your side, pound on the law. If neither is on your side, pound on the table."
"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."
"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."
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Answering Winston's questions:
Stuff that wasn't in it:
*What ever happened to the 'Hands of Blue' guys? They were nowhere to be seen!
-They get their asses kicked in the comics.
*The Ballad of Serenity, or a variation thereof. At least a reference like "You can't take the sky from me" or something would've been nice.
-Listen to the end-credits
*The Reaver split tongue. Since the proto-Reaver in Bushwacked cut his tongue down the middle to 'make himself look like one', i figured we'd see split Reaver tongues.
-Its not a trademark Its like chaos in 40k, nobody looks exactly the same.
*When they're robbing the security firm, i thought i heard the guy say 'Give me your Opposition password' before they spray a volley in reply. Is this Opposition some kind of anti-Alliance organisation like the Rebellion in SW?
-It was "Operations Password", the password of the day/shift.
*Why didn't Mal or Inara kill the Operative with a shot to the head after he was flashbanged by Inara's 'incense'?
-Because there was a big contingent of alliance marines in the next room.
*Book's past remains a mystery. I mean, did Whedon even have any future plans about why he wasn't who he seemed? This reminded me of a Red vs Blue PSA where Sarge is briefing them about the upcoming campaign but to any question they ask he just says 'Sorry, that's classified', and at the end Church whispers '...I don't think you know either'.
-Many, many plans. I'm betting book comes back as a holographic recording in a sequel.
*Where on earth did that weird Uber-Bow thing come from that Inara used on the Reavers coming through the choke point?
-Its a crossbow. Jayne has 90 guns, you think he might have a bow?
*Am i the only who saw Book's first name as being Derria? I looked it up later and people were saying it was Derrial, but i could've sworn i read 'Derria'.
-Its Derria.
Glad you liked it!
Stuff that wasn't in it:
*What ever happened to the 'Hands of Blue' guys? They were nowhere to be seen!
-They get their asses kicked in the comics.
*The Ballad of Serenity, or a variation thereof. At least a reference like "You can't take the sky from me" or something would've been nice.
-Listen to the end-credits
*The Reaver split tongue. Since the proto-Reaver in Bushwacked cut his tongue down the middle to 'make himself look like one', i figured we'd see split Reaver tongues.
-Its not a trademark Its like chaos in 40k, nobody looks exactly the same.
*When they're robbing the security firm, i thought i heard the guy say 'Give me your Opposition password' before they spray a volley in reply. Is this Opposition some kind of anti-Alliance organisation like the Rebellion in SW?
-It was "Operations Password", the password of the day/shift.
*Why didn't Mal or Inara kill the Operative with a shot to the head after he was flashbanged by Inara's 'incense'?
-Because there was a big contingent of alliance marines in the next room.
*Book's past remains a mystery. I mean, did Whedon even have any future plans about why he wasn't who he seemed? This reminded me of a Red vs Blue PSA where Sarge is briefing them about the upcoming campaign but to any question they ask he just says 'Sorry, that's classified', and at the end Church whispers '...I don't think you know either'.
-Many, many plans. I'm betting book comes back as a holographic recording in a sequel.
*Where on earth did that weird Uber-Bow thing come from that Inara used on the Reavers coming through the choke point?
-Its a crossbow. Jayne has 90 guns, you think he might have a bow?
*Am i the only who saw Book's first name as being Derria? I looked it up later and people were saying it was Derrial, but i could've sworn i read 'Derria'.
-Its Derria.
Glad you liked it!
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Chewie has requested that I post in this thread, I'll probably watch it another time before doing a significat post, but as a place holder I'll say this:
If I ever get my hands on Wendon, I will smash a second finger for how he killed Wash(the first one will be for Wesley's shitty death), but It'll be on his non-writing hand ofcourse.
If I ever get my hands on Wendon, I will smash a second finger for how he killed Wash(the first one will be for Wesley's shitty death), but It'll be on his non-writing hand ofcourse.
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Derriak. The Visual guide provides that and a lot of other nifty background information.CaptainChewbacca wrote:
*Am i the only who saw Book's first name as being Derria? I looked it up later and people were saying it was Derrial, but i could've sworn i read 'Derria'.
-Its Derria.
Glad you liked it!
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Any tips on where to pick up the Firefly comics (didn't see them the last time I went to the only comic shop in the area) and stores carrying the Visual Guide?
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I saw the movie earlier today and was very impressed though very saddened at the deaths of Wash and Book, where they not onboard for a continuation of the series or more movies or was it to compensate for Mal's hyper-active adrenal gland and be more gritty, realistic and dramatic?
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Alright, I'm not going to make a frigging 'Spoiler Space' or type in rediculously small print. This is a review thread about the movie, there will be spoliers, don't want to be spoiled, don't read a review thread about the movie. Moving on.
I thought that movie was really well done from start to finished. It had action, it had suspense, I hated the hero character through much of the movie... cheers all around.
The pacing was a little slow in the middle, but certainly not a spolier. The battles where awesome (especially that one with Rain... door just opens and she's surrounded by mounds of corpses, a sword in one hand and an axe in the other.) The only thing that had me "WTF eh!?" was when they killed Wash. "I'm like a leaf *THONK!* -dead-"... anyway.
To answer a few of Winston's questions:
<How could Mal hold his own against the Operative in the final showdown? I can understand if he was being toyed with in the scene in Inara's room, with the Operative's Morpheus-esque "What do you think you're going to accomplish here" (or something like that). But being a uber-assassin i really would have thought Mal would get dead in a few seconds in the serious showdown. >
I don't think the operative was that powerful or nifty an assasine. He seemed more a hands on cooordinator type with some nifty albeit simple moves. How did he beat those suits in a flash at the very beginning? Simple, surprise. Stabbed the first guy when he didn't expected it, drew and stabbed the other guy before he pulled the gun.
As well, in the fight scene in Inara's place Mal did draw fast and surprise the guy, thus dispeling the super assasine idea to me. After Mal actually got into the fight (the Operative guy winning at first because Mal was stupid and thought the guy was dead, turned back on him... we saw what happened) he didn't do to bad, though true in this battle and even the last he won by sheer trickery. The "What do you think your going to accomplish here" line... easy for the guy to say when he has a battleship in orbit and platoon of marines with him.
<Judging by the point-flashes on Earth's surface, the economic strife of Earth 'being used up' led to a nuclear world war.>
It looked to me to coordinate with the launch of the colony vessels, I could be wrong though.
<Why wasn't the Serenity crew affected by The Pax? Why wasn't it still in the air?>
More than 12 Years worth of time for the chemical to breakdown, dissapate, etc. No numbers where given on how long it remained active and it doesn't take long for a human to starve to death. My guess was that it had to be pumped into the atmosphere on a regular basis since its effectiveness was shortlived (had to have worn off by the time the Research and Rescue ship arrived cause they didn't seem affected by it.)
<We see a biography of Mal flash on a screen of the Operative, but i can't remember any of it. >
List of crimes, the fact he fought for the browncoats and was a volunteer, the fact that he was the commander of a platoon at the Battle of Serenity Valley. From the short vid of him with the profile it looked like they took that archive vid when he was at the DMV or something... struck me as humorous.
I'll keep an eye on this thread and post later perhaps, time to eat.
I thought that movie was really well done from start to finished. It had action, it had suspense, I hated the hero character through much of the movie... cheers all around.
The pacing was a little slow in the middle, but certainly not a spolier. The battles where awesome (especially that one with Rain... door just opens and she's surrounded by mounds of corpses, a sword in one hand and an axe in the other.) The only thing that had me "WTF eh!?" was when they killed Wash. "I'm like a leaf *THONK!* -dead-"... anyway.
To answer a few of Winston's questions:
<How could Mal hold his own against the Operative in the final showdown? I can understand if he was being toyed with in the scene in Inara's room, with the Operative's Morpheus-esque "What do you think you're going to accomplish here" (or something like that). But being a uber-assassin i really would have thought Mal would get dead in a few seconds in the serious showdown. >
I don't think the operative was that powerful or nifty an assasine. He seemed more a hands on cooordinator type with some nifty albeit simple moves. How did he beat those suits in a flash at the very beginning? Simple, surprise. Stabbed the first guy when he didn't expected it, drew and stabbed the other guy before he pulled the gun.
As well, in the fight scene in Inara's place Mal did draw fast and surprise the guy, thus dispeling the super assasine idea to me. After Mal actually got into the fight (the Operative guy winning at first because Mal was stupid and thought the guy was dead, turned back on him... we saw what happened) he didn't do to bad, though true in this battle and even the last he won by sheer trickery. The "What do you think your going to accomplish here" line... easy for the guy to say when he has a battleship in orbit and platoon of marines with him.
<Judging by the point-flashes on Earth's surface, the economic strife of Earth 'being used up' led to a nuclear world war.>
It looked to me to coordinate with the launch of the colony vessels, I could be wrong though.
<Why wasn't the Serenity crew affected by The Pax? Why wasn't it still in the air?>
More than 12 Years worth of time for the chemical to breakdown, dissapate, etc. No numbers where given on how long it remained active and it doesn't take long for a human to starve to death. My guess was that it had to be pumped into the atmosphere on a regular basis since its effectiveness was shortlived (had to have worn off by the time the Research and Rescue ship arrived cause they didn't seem affected by it.)
<We see a biography of Mal flash on a screen of the Operative, but i can't remember any of it. >
List of crimes, the fact he fought for the browncoats and was a volunteer, the fact that he was the commander of a platoon at the Battle of Serenity Valley. From the short vid of him with the profile it looked like they took that archive vid when he was at the DMV or something... struck me as humorous.
I'll keep an eye on this thread and post later perhaps, time to eat.
"Once again we wanted our heroes to be simple, grizzled everymen with nothing to lose; one foot in the grave, the other wrapped in an American flag and lodged firmly in a terrorist's asshole."
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Justice League
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Justice League
Wash had to die where and when he did. It was a good decision. I love Wash, but his death made total sense. I really got the impression that the worst was over before that happened. The ship crashed, and it was fucked pretty badly, though it's a Firefly (it'll last you forever with a half-decent mechanic), so fixing it wasn't hard. The only major damage was the maneuvering jets and the landing gear, at least that I could see. I don't know whey people are bothered by it getting fixed, really. But, regardless, Wash's death restored your sense of urgency. You realized then that there was a long way to go before everything was shiny.
Wash was the most logical choice, too. He was sympathetic, (which is why my friend's suggestion of Jane wouldn't have worked) and he'd done his part in the whole "get the message out" operation. He was the best character to kill, because he was the one that NOBODY wanted to die, or would have ever thought would.
Wash was the most logical choice, too. He was sympathetic, (which is why my friend's suggestion of Jane wouldn't have worked) and he'd done his part in the whole "get the message out" operation. He was the best character to kill, because he was the one that NOBODY wanted to die, or would have ever thought would.
I had a Bill Maher quote here. But fuck him for his white privelegy "joke".
All the rest? Too long.
All the rest? Too long.
So long as Serenity keeps Wash's toy dinosaur's on the dashboard I'll be happy. I'd been spoiled about it, but I was still shocked because I'd convinced myself Wash couldn't die (honestly was my favorite character). Least of all at that point.
Okay, I was so damn pumped up I'm trying to remember, was there sound during the Alliance-Reaver battle sequence?
Okay, I was so damn pumped up I'm trying to remember, was there sound during the Alliance-Reaver battle sequence?
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"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence...Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." - Calvin Coolidge
"If you're falling off a cliff you may as well try to fly, you've got nothing to lose." - John Sheridan (Babylon 5)
"Sometimes you got to roll the hard six." - William Adama (Battlestar Galactica)
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence...Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." - Calvin Coolidge
"If you're falling off a cliff you may as well try to fly, you've got nothing to lose." - John Sheridan (Babylon 5)
"Sometimes you got to roll the hard six." - William Adama (Battlestar Galactica)
As far as the cause of death for many of the people, from the sound of it, they wouldn't even have had time to starve to death because they became so thoroughly docile they effectively went catatonic and didn't even breathe. I distinctly remember the holo saying that, that people were just not even bothering to breathe.
As for the Reavers not touching Miranda, by the time they went mad and started trying to butcher people, the other 90% of the population that wasn't being screened from the gas would be dead having felt no need to continue on with whatever they were doing in their last minutes nor carry on any essential life functions. Reavers were said to ignore the dead, preferring to eat people alive.
Also having turned into insane space savages, they could have been filled with a compulsion to get off of the planet ASAP as an unconcious reaction to the gas to the point where it overrode all other thoughts. It would make sense seeing as within minutes of exposure, 10% of the population in any given area are psychos and the remaining 90% are corpsified. No living people to rape, skin and devour therefore a pressing need to get off the planet and find someone to kill.
Part of the reason Reavers take people alive may also to help feed the armada. Not every Reaver can be off doing things that would make Jason Vorhees or Hannibal Lector gag, some have to be maintaining the ships so the rest have to bring home some playthings for the Reavers who got stuck with working.
As for the Reavers not touching Miranda, by the time they went mad and started trying to butcher people, the other 90% of the population that wasn't being screened from the gas would be dead having felt no need to continue on with whatever they were doing in their last minutes nor carry on any essential life functions. Reavers were said to ignore the dead, preferring to eat people alive.
Also having turned into insane space savages, they could have been filled with a compulsion to get off of the planet ASAP as an unconcious reaction to the gas to the point where it overrode all other thoughts. It would make sense seeing as within minutes of exposure, 10% of the population in any given area are psychos and the remaining 90% are corpsified. No living people to rape, skin and devour therefore a pressing need to get off the planet and find someone to kill.
Part of the reason Reavers take people alive may also to help feed the armada. Not every Reaver can be off doing things that would make Jason Vorhees or Hannibal Lector gag, some have to be maintaining the ships so the rest have to bring home some playthings for the Reavers who got stuck with working.
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Whedon has never been one to let death get in the way of his characters
SCVN 2812: Try "Serenity Comics" at your comic shop. I think the trade paperback is out.
Larz: Her name is River, not Rain
SCVN 2812: Try "Serenity Comics" at your comic shop. I think the trade paperback is out.
Larz: Her name is River, not Rain
Stuart: The only problem is, I'm losing track of which universe I'm in.
You kinda look like Jesus. With a lightsaber.- Peregrin Toker
You kinda look like Jesus. With a lightsaber.- Peregrin Toker
