Ok.. where the hell SW get all this firepower-another debate

[Mopeyennuui]

Culture vs Galatic Empire. Both sides MUST fight. A virus or a moralstlic bent has made all minds wish to make war on the Galatic Empire.

However, Yoda has been dead for the last thirteen days. He finds out about this and tells Luke, who passes ONLY the info that the GE will be invaded by space hippies and communists in the next thirteen years.

The problem is, the rebelion sits tight and allows the empire to make whatever (they think foolhardy) plans it wants to in the name of defense.

The GE doesnt' believe this but steps up all operations and starts putting several more shields on the imperial capital.

What happens when the culture comes to liberate the SW galaxy?

No, nothing in the culture's galaxy may be be a ally to the GE, if that would really matter. The culture has three years to plan a invasion force. FULL TILT for both sides.

Please delete the other thread, it's full of errors.

[Murazor]

An slightly used Culture contact suit with an effector hacks the Holonet in his spare time and uses it to mindfuck every ship, droid and organic in the Star Wars galaxy without breaking a sweat [/Culturewank]

Now, in a more serious note... could the Culture use the Holonet for extra-long range effectoring?

[Mr Bean]

The GE gets its ass kicked, as fo 90% of the Universes out there when pared up aginst the Culture(Even the reaaly vauge ones)

[The Grim Squeaker]

Even without the effectors the uber reaction times of culture minds, overwhelming power of Gridfire and the Cultures stupid level construction times and resources let it take out tha combined forces of the Empire, NR, old Republic, and the Iom.

[HyperionX]

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=7419

It was already addressed here.

[Chris OFarrell]

Even without the effectors the uber reaction times of culture minds, overwhelming power of Gridfire and the Cultures stupid level construction times and resources let it take out tha combined forces of the Empire, NR, old Republic, and the Iom.

And what the fuck is your problem? The technology in Culture books isn't KJA bullshit uberwank, its a backdrop to the universe itself. People who start crying about how the Culture is nothing but wank I generaly find are just crying because they have come up against a universe that can beat theirs. Like Darkstar and his ilk despite SW simply because it beats up on the UFP...

[The Grim Squeaker]

Sorry maybe I wasnt clear , I didnt mean wank as in over the top,
rather that it's on a different level when compared to star wars or 90% of sci fi universes out there.
I did read the post thank you very much.

[The Nomad]

Now, in a more serious note... could the Culture use the Holonet for extra-long range effectoring?

No. I suppose it could hack some Holonet relays and spread some nasty viruses, but no actual galactic scale effectorizing, no.




I'm surprised no one mentioned the light-months FTL combat ranges so far ?
Oh and yes, effectorize some SW ships, upgrade them with some effectors, displacers and Cultureverse hyperdrive ( to benefit from the untouchability advantage ) but keep the SW hyperdrive ( to benefit from the higher cruising speed ).

[The Grim Squeaker]

Wasnt one of the culture battles over 143 trillion light years over in less than a second? (1*10-3 ?)

[Murazor]

Wasnt one of the culture battles over 143 trillion light years over in less than a second? (1*10-3 ?)

Considering that the Culture is most clearly not even galactic in scope... not. Most certainly not.

[Losonti Tokash]

Wasnt one of the culture battles over 143 trillion light years over in less than a second? (1*10-3 ?)

Considering that the Culture is most clearly not even galactic in scope... not. Most certainly not.

I don't think it was over 143 trillion light years, but that the ships were apparently traveling at 143 trillion times the speed of light.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Even worse .

[The Nomad]

Wasnt one of the culture battles over 143 trillion light years over in less than a second? (1*10-3 ?)

No. A fleet battle spanning a hundred light years, over under 11 microseconds. The attacking Culture ship crossed this distance in under this time... facing hundreds of older Culture ships. Fucking character shields . The fucker was as likely to burn himself due to engine overload than to get obliterated by the cohorts of ships shooting at it.

[Lord Zentei]

Not just FTL detection, FTL weapons and FTL movement in the tactical arena, but FTL cognition also. This will inevitably lead to outrageous results.

[The Grim Squeaker]

It's worse than The empire & IoM versus the federation

[Lord Zentei]

Not just FTL detection, FTL weapons and FTL movement in the tactical arena, but FTL cognition also. This will inevitably lead to outrageous results.

Incidentally, the Necrons of 40K can cross the Galaxy in half a second. This means they are only 1 to 1.5 orders of magnitude less zippy than the Culture ships. They need to be STL in combat though.

[NecronLord]

WTF? Culture sustained speed is seven orders of manitude less than the necrons. They take a year to cross the galaxy.

[Stormbringer]

Sorry maybe I wasnt clear , I didnt mean wank as in over the top,
rather that it's on a different level when compared to star wars or 90% of sci fi universes out there.
I did read the post thank you very much.

If that's the case, the wanker smily was probably a bad choice to emphasis your post.

[quote="the .303 bookworm"Wasnt one of the culture battles over 143 trillion light years over in less than a second? (1*10-3 ?)

Considering that the Culture is most clearly not even galactic in scope... not. Most certainly not.[/quote]

Mostly because they don't need the space. Orbitals, Rings, and Spheres all have orders of magnitude more surface area than planets and with their energy production, they can produce most of what they need with out crawling all over the galaxy.

Wasnt one of the culture battles over 143 trillion light years over in less than a second? (1*10-3 ?)

No. A fleet battle spanning a hundred light years, over under 11 microseconds. The attacking Culture ship crossed this distance in under this time... facing hundreds of older Culture ships. Fucking character shields . The fucker was as likely to burn himself due to engine overload than to get obliterated by the cohorts of ships shooting at it.

It's not character shields, it what happens when you make a suicidal attack on an opponent that wants to live. Killing Time just hit them hard and without regard for it's own life, that will generally produce nasty results when at a rough parity.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Murazor wrote:
[quote="the .303 bookworm"Wasnt one of the culture battles over 143 trillion light years over in less than a second? (1*10-3 ?)


Considering that the Culture is most clearly not even galactic in scope... not. Most certainly not.

[/quote]
guess i'm wrong there, i just remember reading it in the Culture sticky, my bad.

[SirNitram]

Murazor wrote:

Wasnt one of the culture battles over 143 trillion light years over in less than a second? (1*10-3 ?)


Considering that the Culture is most clearly not even galactic in scope... not. Most certainly not.

guess i'm wrong there, i just remember reading it in the Culture sticky, my bad.

The Killing Time hit 14 trillion times lightspeed in one fight, but it was only for a matter of microseconds.

[Admiral Valdemar]

The ROU Killing Time was also a practically brand new ship. The vessels in Pittance's docks were as old as the Culture-Idiran war, hardly a match one-on-one, like having an Arleigh Burke go against several dozen Man-O-Wars.

[18-Till-I-Die]

The Culture will most certainly crush the Galactic Empire.

Lets be overly generous though and say, for a moment, no Effectors.

Still, Culture weapons have ranges far exceeding even the most long range GE weapons (except a few superweapons). And they have the capacity to survive a surpernova; a small comparison: in the Lensmen stories it describes the effect of a supernova merely 'pushing' a group of Boskonian ships away, i can only assume the Culture 'surfing on supernovas' is likely the same effect. Displacers could literally fufill all the Trekkie fantasies of a transporter bomb, only better, teleporting a nano-scopic black hole or some other planet-killing weapon into the very heart of a GE ship from far, far beyond even their range.

There are, IMO, only three sci-fi empires that can take on the Culture and win: the Xeelee...and if you dont like wank the Xeelee is your kryptonite, the TimeLords who could wipe out the Culture at their leasure, and the Skylark Humans who could pretty easily destroy a galaxy from millions of lightyears away...again not for those who dont like wanky tech but very fun and funny (e.g dated).

[Darth Wong]

On the ongoing argument over whether something should be called "wank":

To me, upon reflection, one of the distinctions between "wank" and "just really powerful" is that wank is disconnected from normal intuitive relationships of size and strength and toughness. For example, a really powerful sci-fi universe would normally be characterized by enormous scale and vast resources. A wank sci-fi universe would be characterized by incredibly powerful yet miniscule devices that have really cool explanations for why they can do all this, involving whatever is the current reigning chic buzzword (right now I believe the chic buzzword is anything that starts with "nano" or "quantum").

[Noble Ire]

Thus a Death Star is not wank considering it falls within the capablities of the SW galaxy to produce, as well as the technology used in it. The Suncrusher, on the otherhand, can be considered wank due to its dissimilarity from known most SW tech power wise, as well as its exessive usage of the terms "quantum" and "resonnance."

Makes sense.


I spelled that last bit wrong, I know.

[SirNitram]

Another thread turning into the subjective description of wank; hoooo boy.

I'll just state I feel that when the tech becomes the story(See: Every Star Trek series, sadly), it becomes wank. I don't really care how horrific overpowered two ships duking it out are, if the writing is good enough.