Worf vs. Jayne

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2005-01-22 03:31pm

First fight: Jayne (Firefly) gets Vera (the best gun ever) and a pistol. Worf has a Dominion War-era phaser rifle and pistol. The fight takes place in a generic desert planet's mountains.

Seecond fight: bar fight. Unarmed.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-01-22 03:41pm

Vera blows away mr. Klingon, and then Jayne makes a witty remark.

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2005-01-22 03:49pm

I'll give the gun fight to Jayne. Vera is better than anything Worf has.

The bar fight probably goes to Worf, unless Jayne is lucky and finds a heavy stick before Worf does. Jayne is strong, but Worf has klingon strength.

Post by **Dalton** » 2005-01-22 03:52pm

Jayne actually has a clue about concealment, but Worf has hunter's instincts. Worf would probably sniff him out but would drop like a rock when he gets in Jayne's sniper sights.

The bar fight would probably go to Worf. He's simply stronger.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-01-22 03:59pm

What exactly is Vera?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-01-22 04:01pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:What exactly is Vera?

a fuckin big sniper rifle.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-01-22 04:21pm

JAYNE
Six men came to kill me one time, and the best of them carried this. It's
a Callahan fullbore autolock, customized trigger and double cartridge thourough-gage.

He holds it out to Mal.

JAYNE (cont'd)
It's my very favorite gun.

MAL
The explosive diarrhea of an elephant, are you offering me a trade?

JAYNE
A trade? Hell, it's theft! This is the best gun made by man, and its got
extreme sentimental value! It's miles more worthy'n what you got.

MAL
"What I got" - she has a name.

JAYNE
So does this! I call it Vera.

MAL
Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a
middle.

Jayne would win with just the chain of command.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-01-22 05:42pm

Jayne once took 4 guys at once in a bar fight, and won. These were burly, red-blooded colonists, too.

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2005-01-22 05:51pm

I'd have to give this to Jayne, all round. the man fights to win, and isn't held back by crazy klingon/viking honor and fair play . In the barfight, He'd probably broadside Worf with something Large and Heavy, while Worf complained about dishonorable tactics, and keep beating him with it till he stopped movin'.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-01-22 06:16pm

Don't count Worf out so easy. IIRC, he beat 20 Jem Hadar in a row without medical aid between them. And remember, the Klingon philosophy is "Nothing is so honorable in a fight as winning it".

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2005-01-22 06:24pm

Scenario 1, Jayne takes it unless they start off in close proximity to eachother.

Scenario 2 is a tossup.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-22 09:18pm

Scenario one- Jayne pops him from long range. No contest, there.

Scenario two- Jayne pretends to surrender. Worf gets honorable. Jayne drops him as soon as he can get his hands on something to do the job.

Klingons in general have not proven to be that much stronger or more durable than humans.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-22 11:37pm

Worf's a pussy. Jayne is cunning. My money is on the guy with the knife and gun, not the wanker in the pajamas.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-01-22 11:48pm

Jayne wins gunfight; Vera is scoped, has grenades, etc. In hand to hand, I'm giving it to Jayne too; he seems to have some skill with holds and grapples, whereas Worf just hits things with other things. AND Jayne would never be beaten by a Ferengi.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2005-01-22 11:59pm

Jayne, on both counts.

He's an expert marksman and more importantly, he fights well and he fights dirty. Two things worf doesnt have going for him, it doesnt matter how strong you are if the other guys opening gambit is something like shoving a broken bottle in your face and twisting and yours is a roundhouse at best

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-01-23 12:17am

When was Worf beaten by a Ferengi in combat?

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-01-23 12:27am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:When was Worf beaten by a Ferengi in combat?

One stupid TNG episode where the Enterprise is boarded by the Ferengi... I forget which, though. The scene is question is also in Trekmiss 2.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2005-01-23 12:33am

The explosive diarrhea of an elephant, are you offering me a trade?
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That threw me for a bit until I remembered the "Explosive diarrhea of an elephant" bit was spoken in Chinese.  :P 

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2005-01-23 09:05am

A desert planet, eh? Who can survive longer without water or shadow?

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2005-01-23 09:05am

A desert planet, eh? Who can survive longer without water or shadow?

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2005-01-23 09:06am

A desert planet, eh? Who can survive longer without water or shadow?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-01-23 09:23am

Jayne easily takes the combat in all instances with weaponry, but the bar fight I could see going either way. I like seeing Jayne as a sort of Worf in Firefly, only with a bigger gun.

Now, time for some thrilling heroics.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-01-23 09:54am

In the bar fight, Jayne has shown remarkable skill with such improvised weapons as tables, pool cues, and stools in beating people.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2005-01-23 01:26pm

Sounds like Jayne gets the gun fight easily; I won't dispute that. But don't shrug off Worf so quickly in a bar fight--however the average Klingon compares to humans Worf is much stronger than a man, IIRC he once lifted a man by one arm and then threw him--even the Governator might have serious difficulty doing that, and I know I don't want to get in a fight with him, trained or no. And Worf is in fact very well trained in hand to hand, and melee for that matter.
(And that Ferengi beat Worf with a ranged weapon, that says nothing about him in hand to hand.)

CDiehl · Post by **CDiehl** » 2005-01-23 03:33pm

The episode where a Ferengi beat Worf up was The Last Outpost. The little boogers pounced on him and Riker, and they messed them up. It was a bad day for Starfleet.

When has Worf ever exhibited greater strength than a similarly sized human? People talk so much about Klingons being so strong and tough, but where's the evidence? Seriously, Worf's been beaten by an old man with a gut, hopped up on adrenaline (Adm. Quinn in Conspiracy). Riker once put a Klingon warrior on his ass for mouthing off at him in A Matter of Honor. Worf once had his back broken by a clearly empty barrel falling on him. None of this speaks well for this imagined advantage Klingons have.

I've never watched Firefly, but I tend to imagine that any human being with some military training, and in decent health, can curbstomp a Klingon one-on-one.