Dropships

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-04-05 04:52pm

which is more effective, in your opinion

the dropship from Aliens or the Pelican dropship.

Black Admiral · Post by **Black Admiral** » 2004-04-05 05:05pm

Agent Fisher wrote:which is more effective, in your opinion

the dropship from Aliens or the Pelican dropship.

The UD-4(Aliens dropship).

The Pelican's a damn good machine, but the Cheyenne has it outmatched.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-04-05 05:12pm

Black Admiral wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:which is more effective, in your opinion

the dropship from Aliens or the Pelican dropship.
The UD-4(Aliens dropship).

The Pelican's a damn good machine, but the Cheyenne has it outmatched.

how so

remember that the pelicans were designed to carry rockets, missiles, and other muntions.

Black Admiral · Post by **Black Admiral** » 2004-04-05 05:16pm

Agent Fisher wrote:how so

remember that the pelicans were designed to carry rockets, missiles, and other muntions.

Yeah, but the Cheyenne carries that kind of ordnance as standard; all the Pelican has normally is the 70-mil chin gun.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-04-05 05:25pm

That is all we saw the pelican having.

The pilots launched before they could load muntions on to tghe ships.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-05 05:30pm

What's the bird from?

Black Admiral · Post by **Black Admiral** » 2004-04-05 05:40pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What's the bird from?

Halo.

Agent Fisher wrote:That is all we saw the pelican having.

The pilots launched before they could load muntions on to tghe ships.

Yes, but the Cheyenne has its own equivalents loaded as standard; Pelicans don't, which was why the ODSTs on HALO were trying to retrieve the gun and missile pods from the POA.

Hell, some of the Pelicans (Echo-419 for instance) didn't even have their chin guns loaded.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-04-05 05:58pm

Black Admiral wrote:Yes, but the Cheyenne has its own equivalents loaded as standard

because they had prep time to load the weapons. They had seven hours to get ready

Black Admiral · Post by **Black Admiral** » 2004-04-05 06:18pm

Agent Fisher wrote:because they had prep time to load the weapons. They had seven hours to get ready

Point, although I would've expected at least some of the PoA's Pelicans to have been preflighted at Reach.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-04-05 06:23pm

The Cheyenne can also carry tac. nukes, that always helps. Th design also follows that of most gunships today along with the added benefits of the Harrier's engine system (Rolls-Royce Pegasus) and scramjets. I forget the maximum load it can carry though.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-04-05 06:25pm

when does it say that they have nukes?

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2004-04-05 07:18pm

I like the Aliens dropship better for several reasons.

First the UNSMC APC rolls rights out of the ship with a squad of marines already in it. That is the epitomy of a armor lightning strike, because while the Pelicans carry warthogs, they are inferior to UNSMC APCs and the marines have to jump out of the dropship and then into the 'hog.

Better armed, they have missiles and chainguns standard.

They look friggin mean, like A-10s on crack.

Mr. Sinister · Post by **Mr. Sinister** » 2004-04-05 07:47pm

justifier wrote:I like the Aliens dropship better for several reasons.

First the UNSMC APC rolls rights out of the ship with a squad of marines already in it. That is the epitomy of a armor lightning strike, because while the Pelicans carry warthogs, they are inferior to UNSMC APCs and the marines have to jump out of the dropship and then into the 'hog.

Better armed, they have missiles and chainguns standard.

They look friggin mean, like A-10s on crack.

Been a while since I've seen the movie. Anybody got any pics?

Tasoth · Post by **Tasoth** » 2004-04-05 09:39pm

Cheyenne. It's the mother of all gunships. It can fold in its gunpods for a more aerodynamic shape and then open them up and rain some hell. It's entire purpose besides delivering APCs and troops is to support its infantry squad the moment they hit the dirt.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2004-04-05 10:32pm

Lets see if I remember right the Cheyenne carries as standard a 30mm gatling gun, two sizes of unguided rockets with a variety of warhead types, AT missiles, and some AA/AR missiles.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-04-05 10:36pm

The Pelican has a single gun, perhaps some load out...versus the Cheyenne which has more then enough load out to secure an area.

The Cheyenne takes it easily.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2004-04-05 10:42pm

I think the Aliens drophip is better, since it has a sheer firepower advantage (it had row after row of missiles on the wings), and IIRC it could be controled by remote. To me, that says you might not even need to man it, just kamikaze the thing into your enemy.

Also, i've played Halo, and i do not remember any kind of weaponry seen on the Pelican, or ever seeing it fire on an enemy. Weaposn (large missiles) were seen on the Cheyenne in the movie. Sorry, i as big a Halo fan as the next guy, but what you see is what you get.

Black Admiral · Post by **Black Admiral** » 2004-04-06 04:39am

Ghost Rider wrote:The Pelican has a single gun, perhaps some load out

70-mil chin gun, optional 40mm cannon and missile/rocket pods.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2004-04-06 10:40pm

A bit off topic but has anyone played a game called Armorines Project S.W.A.R.M. ? It was a videogame produced for the Nintendo 64 that pitted Earth against an invading alien insect menace that looked similar to the insects from Starship Trooper. In the game there was a drop ship that was fairly awe inspiring, resembling a VTOL A-10, if that makes sense. I was just wondering if anyone here had ever seen it and how they think it would stack up to others?

constantine · Post by **constantine** » 2004-04-07 03:14am

Black Admiral wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:The Pelican has a single gun, perhaps some load out
70-mil chin gun, optional 40mm cannon and missile/rocket pods.

The Pelican can carry Moray Mines as well. MC also states in 'First Strike' that Pelicans are capable of carrying Shiva nukes too. I believe the missiles used on the Pelican are called Anvil missiles, don't know yield though.

Along with that, Pelicans can be remote-controlled which is a definate advantage.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-07 09:34am

I'll say Pelican just because they're awesome. But Constantine, apparently the Cheyenne can be remote controlled as well. At least that was mentioned above.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-04-07 11:03am

Rogue 9 wrote:I'll say Pelican just because they're awesome. But Constantine, apparently the Cheyenne can be remote controlled as well. At least that was mentioned above.

It was remotely piloted down by Bishop in Aliens

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-07 11:58am

Crown wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:I'll say Pelican just because they're awesome. But Constantine, apparently the Cheyenne can be remote controlled as well. At least that was mentioned above.
It was remotely piloted down by Bishop in Aliens

Never seen any of the Alien movies. Wouldn't know.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-04-07 12:06pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Never seen any of the Alien movies. Wouldn't know.

Well, go see the two first ones pronto, their great (the others are not so great). I'm quite sure that the local video rental store has them in stock.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-04-07 04:43pm

Frankly the RC ability of the Cheyenne is a big strike against it. Bishop was able to control the Cheyenne remotely, which overrode the cockpit command inputs (which would, of course, all be zeroed). Consider the implications of this against a technologically savvy enemy.

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