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I apologize for my words about the Agents in Matrix Reloaded

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Hi everyone, I came out of the theatre ranting and raving about how dissappointed I was about the Agents in Matrix Reloaded, said they had turned into startrek red shirts,

I have had a week to think about it, and I have changed my mind, someone put it in light for me the other night,

Lets compare Matrix agents to Matrix Reloaded Agents

MATRIX
Smith handles Morph in the bathroom, struggles to keep hands on his neck, smith slowly pushes them away

MATRIX RELOADED
Agents dent thick steel door, ,and rip the top of a car off with one hand, we've never seen any sort of strength like this from morph

MATRIX
Smith is schooled by a single hand effort by Neo, who is standing still

MATRIX RELOADED
Three 'upgraded' agents last several minutes against Neo, where they may not have been killed but just retreated, considering we didn't hear them 'fizzle' or flash of light when they die. So they might have retreated,

Agent smith (No longer part of the matrix, and no longer part of the upgraded program) takes hundreds of them to fight Neo, and they are over paced easily, Neo didn't show that sort of 'over whelming' speed vs the first 3 agents.

MATRIX
Trinity runs from Agent, she jumps through window and survives

MATRIX RELOADED
Trinity stays and fights, starts to lose, decides to run, she is chased and killed

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Morph should have died 3 or 4 times on the truck, only character shields saved him from turning into a pancake under the truck wheels, he was beaten, he even had a sword and still lost :(

I completely take back everything I said about the Agents,
I am sorry
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Hey, a question: What are the names of the other two agents from the Matrix, and what is the name of the agent who replaced Smith in Reloaded?
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According to IMDB:
Daniel Bernhardt .... Agent Johnson
David Kilde .... Agent Jackson (as David A. Kilde)
Matt McColm .... Agent Thompson (If i am not mistaken, this is the "new" Smith)
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Johnson and thompson were the ones in the patrol cars

So I take it people agree with me? that the new agents are actually really upgraded?
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Omega-13 wrote:Johnson and thompson were the ones in the patrol cars

So I take it people agree with me? that the new agents are actually really upgraded?
Considering that they say so in the movie, I'd say yes. :P
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It seems all the agents were new, including new names and faces, at least from my comparison of the credits..
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old agents from matrix one were smith, jones, and brown, I thought?
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Enforcer Talen wrote:old agents from matrix one were smith, jones, and brown, I thought?
Yes. Yes, they are.
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Atavarius wrote:According to IMDB:
Daniel Bernhardt .... Agent Johnson
David Kilde .... Agent Jackson (as David A. Kilde)
Matt McColm .... Agent Thompson (If i am not mistaken, this is the "new" Smith)
Agent Johnson was the one who was at the front of the group when they first confronted Neo and was also the one who fought Morpheus on top of the semi, IIRC (Daniel Bernhardt's the only actor I was previously familiar with, so he stuck out to me). So he'd be the new "Agent Smith", if you mean that he seems to be the most prominent of the group.

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HEY!!! SMITH IS NOT WEAK!!! HE PWNS OTHER AGENTS!!!!

He even assimilated Thompson, right?

Smith is still superior.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:HEY!!! SMITH IS NOT WEAK!!! HE PWNS OTHER AGENTS!!!!

He even assimilated Thompson, right?

Smith is still superior.
Sorry man, maybe his acting and character but not abilities,
I just saw the matrix reloaded again tonight,

he is sub par to other agents
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Smith was only able to keep up with Neo through sheer numbers when they fough. In a one on one fight as of Reloaded, Neo would win.

The agents, even considering it was three held up better than a lot of Smith clones.

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Joe Momma wrote:
Atavarius wrote:According to IMDB:
Daniel Bernhardt .... Agent Johnson
David Kilde .... Agent Jackson (as David A. Kilde)
Matt McColm .... Agent Thompson (If i am not mistaken, this is the "new" Smith)
Agent Johnson was the one who was at the front of the group when they first confronted Neo and was also the one who fought Morpheus on top of the semi, IIRC (Daniel Bernhardt's the only actor I was previously familiar with, so he stuck out to me). So he'd be the new "Agent Smith", if you mean that he seems to be the most prominent of the group.

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Yeah, i meant that he seems to be the prominent figure, as Smith was with his previous companions.
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But Smith assimilated an Agent....


Anyway, how can you explain the 1 om 1 duel between Smith and neo in the Revolutions trailer? Perhaps Smith absorbed all the Agents and gained all their abilities and became uber......
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neoolong wrote:Smith was only able to keep up with Neo through sheer numbers when they fough. In a one on one fight as of Reloaded, Neo would win...
See the Revelutions trailer. It appears Neo/Smith fight may be quite close.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:But Smith assimilated an Agent....
That's not really relevant- all he did was thrust his hand at him- it wasn't exactly a fight. The Agent simply wasn't expecting it.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:But Smith assimilated an Agent....
Anyway, how can you explain the 1 om 1 duel between Smith and neo in the Revolutions trailer? Perhaps Smith absorbed all the Agents and gained all their abilities and became uber......
Perhaps the original Smith, now being free, can exceed the normal boundaries which still confines the "normal" Agents.
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Vympel wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:But Smith assimilated an Agent....
That's not really relevant- all he did was thrust his hand at him- it wasn't exactly a fight. The Agent simply wasn't expecting it.
Shouldn't his reflexes be fast enough to see that coming though?
They can dodge bullets, the fist wasn't that fast.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:But Smith assimilated an Agent....

Anyway, how can you explain the 1 om 1 duel between Smith and neo in the Revolutions trailer? Perhaps Smith absorbed all the Agents and gained all their abilities and became uber......
Man, I might be one of the biggest Agent Smith fans around, but I know not to wank and keep things in a realistic perspective.

Seriously, man, just take your hands off your penis for a second... :roll:
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Vympel wrote:That's not really relevant- all he did was thrust his hand at him- it wasn't exactly a fight. The Agent simply wasn't expecting it.
Shouldn't his reflexes be fast enough to see that coming though?
They can dodge bullets, the fist wasn't that fast.
AFAIK, other than for special cases, they can't apply the same speed for bullet dodging to hand-to-hand.
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Lord of the Farce wrote:
Gandalf wrote:
Vympel wrote:That's not really relevant- all he did was thrust his hand at him- it wasn't exactly a fight. The Agent simply wasn't expecting it.
Shouldn't his reflexes be fast enough to see that coming though?
They can dodge bullets, the fist wasn't that fast.
AFAIK, other than for special cases, they can't apply the same speed for bullet dodging to hand-to-hand.
How would it be?, wouldn't the agent program just see it as something coming at it fast?
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:But Smith assimilated an Agent....

Anyway, how can you explain the 1 om 1 duel between Smith and neo in the Revolutions trailer? Perhaps Smith absorbed all the Agents and gained all their abilities and became uber......
Man, I might be one of the biggest Agent Smith fans around, but I know not to wank and keep things in a realistic perspective.

Seriously, man, just take your hands off your penis for a second... :roll:
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Perhaps you can explain how the hell Smith became that uber in just a few hours in Revolutions, I mean one Smith took on Neo and it seemed like a pretty close fight. Any realistic explainations?

Maybe a hundred of them fused together and...... nah!

Maybe he assimilated all the Agents?
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Maybe you should wait until the fucking movie comes out in November before you attempt to evaluate anything from it, especially when all you have now is less than a minute of footage from a bloody TEASER TRAILER...

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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Maybe you should wait until the fucking movie comes out in November before you attempt to evaluate anything from it, especially when all you have now is less than a minute of footage from a bloody TEASER TRAILER...

:roll:

Grow up, kid.
Fine fine, but it really did seem like an apocalyptic final battle for the fate of humanity...... it gave me that impression.

Ok, explain to me how the hell can a single Smith clone (or maybe it was Boss Smith) take on Neo for even a minute?
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