K. A. Pital wrote: ↑
Guys, this is such amateur “progressor” talk here the entire thing just pains me.
Genocide, brainwashing and global technofascism?
You always get some people going that route in RAR threads- the appeal of the power fantasy, I guess.
I tried to take a more realistic and subtle tac, partly out of personal philosophical preference, and partly because while my tech. would certainly enable me to steamroll any military in the world or all the militaries in the world in this time period (provided I can quickly secure sufficient resources to fuel my factor and vehicles/Terminators), that would leave me with the problem of occupying a country (or planet) full of resentful, frightened people who would either have to be kept in perpetual ignorance and poverty, or would eventually gain the knowledge needed to rebel. And occupying a continent of unwilling subjects isn't a great long-term plan.
And how are people supposed to understand slavery is bad and advance their moral concepts, if you come there as Dr. Evil Squared and do all those things?
I would support the Native Americans. Slowly but certainly I would let them get their own territory and build their own state.
Probably many states- the Native Americans were by no means a single homogenous culture or nation, after all.
With their deeply ingrained respect for the collective and not-yet-atrophied concepts of common use opposed to private property, they can perhaps apply the technology in a more moral fashion. To what extent and how - will be decided based on the situation at hand.
I feel like you are somewhat stereotyping Native Americans culturally here.
My sense is that they're people, probably as diverse and fallible and prone to the abuse of power as any of us, but by the same token they have as much right to try and either succeed or fail without interference as anyone else.
As to technological knowledge, I would open schools which would provide access to some of my less dangerous scientific and technological knowledge (NOT time travel or Terminator tech, which would be classified state secrets), which would be open at no cost of admission to anyone willing to learn. I'd also invite leading academics from around the world to come visit my nation.
I would help the Union, but try to make/keep it a natural-looking victory instead of steamrolling on Day 1.
I could go either way on this. On the one hand, it avoids the issue of it being a change imposed on the US from outside, and makes it less likely that America will forever resent the fall of slavery as something imposed by a foreign tyrant.
On the other hand, I feel that the South needs to be thoroughly beaten before it can be reformed- to be shown that Resistance is Futile. And knowing that I can do that more quickly, cleanly, fully, and frankly humanely than the US did in real life, it would be hard to justify sitting on the sidelines.
That said, as previously noted, I'd probably limit myself to economic/diplomatic/humanitarian support for the Union (and sheltering escaped slaves) unless the South crossed my borders in force. At which point, as noted, I'd likely march into Texas and annex Galveston, which would both cut into the Southern economy and force them to fight on another front while giving me a sea port. Probably involving a thorough demonstration of Terminator and gunship superiority at some point, while making sure that there are plenty of survivors to spread the word and let the rest of the South know just how screwed they are.
Unless the South somehow beat the North this time (as unlikely as that might be) in which case, fuck it, I'm marching to the Atlantic and shoving a giant robotic boot up Jefferson Davis' ass.
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