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Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by tezunegari » 2018-07-19 02:10pm

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Netflix has finally released the second part.

In a short summary... it's the same as the first. People get their hopes up, everything looks fine, and then fertilizer is applied in massive amounts to the plan.

It really was fun to watch, especially ones the horror starts to be realized by the humans.

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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by Majin Gojira » 2018-07-22 10:15am

I enjoyed it, but there were a few things that dinged my overall enjoyment. Namely, the blatant fridging.

But what I really enjoy about it is the world building. Details, ramifications, and anime-standard contemplations. I like that sort of thing.

A lot of people were disappointed with the lack of a Kaiju brawl, but I'm cool with it.

I'm also cool with the lead's overall development as a character.
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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by Q99 » 2018-07-26 05:29pm

Just watched it, pretty solid. They graduated from Attack on Titan to Fortress Trap. The Bilusaludo, especially Galu-Gu, had to have known what he was doing too- he withheld information until the operation was underway, forcing mechainfusion was a goal of his.

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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by LadyTevar » 2018-08-05 05:00pm

I think it's leading up to the Kaiju brawl, since I'm pretty sure the Houtua are worshiping Mothra's Egg.

But, as for this one ... "He Who Hunts Monsters May Become One" seems to sum up the story here. The Bilusaludo thought fusion would make them "more" and let them win, despite the price. Haruo, however, is right. Some prices are too high, and the loss of humanity is one of them. Always has been, in every genre that explores "What is Human".

The real question is "WTF IS METPHIES UP TO?" Is it just coincidence that I hear "Mephistopheles" or "Mephisto" when they speak his name in Japanese? Is there a reason why his name is a homophone for a demon who gives you just what you want, at a price? And now that he's named The Beast, is that the "God" the Exifs worship? Are they trying to summon IT to Earth to kill Godzilla?
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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by Majin Gojira » 2018-08-05 11:56pm

I wouldn't be surprised, Anime has a knack for taking western concepts like that and using them simply because they are largely unknown and 'weird' to the Japanese audience.

It happened in Evangelion, and hell, there's an Ultraman foe named Mephilas. It's not new territory.

It seems to me the Exifs are being chased across the universe by King Ghidorah. I bet that's the monster brawl we're going to get.
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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by Q99 » 2018-08-06 04:22am

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I think it's leading up to the Kaiju brawl, since I'm pretty sure the Houtua are worshiping Mothra's Egg.

But, as for this one ... "He Who Hunts Monsters May Become One" seems to sum up the story here. The Bilusaludo thought fusion would make them "more" and let them win, despite the price. Haruo, however, is right. Some prices are too high, and the loss of humanity is one of them. Always has been, in every genre that explores "What is Human".
Taking out the Houtua while they're at it. Heck, it seemed that some of them didn't view it as a 'price' even.
The real question is "WTF IS METPHIES UP TO?" Is it just coincidence that I hear "Mephistopheles" or "Mephisto" when they speak his name in Japanese? Is there a reason why his name is a homophone for a demon who gives you just what you want, at a price? And now that he's named The Beast, is that the "God" the Exifs worship? Are they trying to summon IT to Earth to kill Godzilla?
I had something of a less sinister read. Metphies, and the Exif in general, use alliance and aid of others and fights against the likes of Godzilla as a training bed/way to kill their monster.

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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by LadyTevar » 2018-08-07 11:14pm

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I had something of a less sinister read. Metphies, and the Exif in general, use alliance and aid of others and fights against the likes of Godzilla as a training bed/way to kill their monster.
"Join your Intelligence". Yeah, share knowledge, test out ways of destroying other monsters, apply to the Beast that destroyed you. Makes sense to me. :)

But this leads to the idea brought up by the Exif, that the Kaiju are a response to Humanity's excesses and abuse of their world. It's not a new idea, that "Spaceship Earth" or "Gaia" might be trying to get rid of the 'virus' we humans have become. Saw a comic just today that connected the Earth getting hotter to a human getting a fever to destroy an illness.
SO ... Are Kaiju an immune response to Humanity? IS that why they all showed up again? Metphies implies that's why Ghidrah appeared, the Exif had over-worked their world.
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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by Q99 » 2018-08-08 08:21pm

LadyTevar wrote:
2018-08-07 11:14pm
"Join your Intelligence". Yeah, share knowledge, test out ways of destroying other monsters, apply to the Beast that destroyed you. Makes sense to me. :)

But this leads to the idea brought up by the Exif, that the Kaiju are a response to Humanity's excesses and abuse of their world. It's not a new idea, that "Spaceship Earth" or "Gaia" might be trying to get rid of the 'virus' we humans have become. Saw a comic just today that connected the Earth getting hotter to a human getting a fever to destroy an illness.
SO ... Are Kaiju an immune response to Humanity? IS that why they all showed up again? Metphies implies that's why Ghidrah appeared, the Exif had over-worked their world.
Yep, that solidly seems to be the big in-universe conclusion as to why monsters arise, and apparently as a common thing that happens on multiple worlds.

With the additional note that the immune response isn't unified- humanity is part of Earth too, which is why a few good monsters arose too, among the many that came up before humanity had to flee the Earth.

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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by Sea Skimmer » 2018-08-19 12:41am

Finally found time to watch this, I liked it but I see what folk mean on the lame ass ending murdering the female lead for nothing.

Also the whole mechgodzilla planet thing, was cool and new , but in the end go back to sentence one, the ending was lame. Even if mechagodzilla base was going to takeover the planet in some insane amount of time, so what? Humans would have ample time to plan for alternatives, while not having to fear giant monsters, and the idea of zero human evolution or 'we aren't human' gets nonsensical fast. It felt kinda like the people making this movie realized oh no, we've been too creative, quick bring back the most worthless anime cliches we can find!

I do hope the big boss King Ghidorah shows up in part three, and is so massive his wings blow the moon into the earth and godzilla explodes the moon with his death ray, but that's probably not going to happen.
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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by Stella365 » 2018-08-31 12:25pm

Very much like the first one. They could have done better.

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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by Tsyroc » 2018-10-19 01:21pm

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Very much like the first one. They could have done better.
Agreed. It's been entertaining but like a lot of Anime it's kind of meh. Especially when you consider them marketing it as a Godzilla movie.

That being said, the Godzilla designs have been cool and my 14 year old nephew has been loving the show on Netflix, which is a plus.
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Re: Anyone watched Netflix's Godzilla? Spoilers, part 2

Post by LadyTevar » 2018-10-21 10:55pm

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That being said, the Godzilla designs have been cool and my 14 year old nephew has been loving the show on Netflix, which is a plus.
Yeah, let's talk Godzilla. Massively ancient, still walking around, bigger and badder than before, and Earth creatures have evolved similar traits in order to survive.

Now, the series brings in psuedo-Science, something that I'd have to go back and watch again to get the details, but mostly it can be broken down below:
Godzilla's body is a huge bio-electronic battery, which gives him protection from weaponry in the form of an energy shield, and also is the source of his breath weapon.
That shield can be measured by wave-length. Overload the shield, there will be a measurable dip in wave-length.
This EMP-based missile/harpoon weapon will fuck with his body's energy output and he will implode due to the disruption of his bio-energy.
Hit him after the shield goes down, and you can kill Godzilla.

At least, you can kill (one of?) the Godzuki. Godzilla himself managed to externalize his damaged bio-energy.

I am wondering if this externalization of Bio-Energy might show up again during the battle against King Ghidrah.
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