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Postby NecronLord » 2017-05-20 10:12am

Their purposes were often assigned before the chaos gods put them on their respective planets. And if there's one thing apparent in the heresy, the Wolf puppies

The doctrine the wolf puppies reject is Guilliman's, not the Emperor's.

That said, the most relevant thing is that every Fenrisian has a superstitious hatred and fear (except they can know no fear!) of sorcery, so they can be relied on to interact with corrupted marines without trouble. The wolves also don't ask questions, something Horus exploits when he changes their retrieve order on Magnus to 'exterminate' - most other legions, going by the early Heresy Books, would have had some soul-searching about that. The wolves just open fire the moment they enter orbit.

I'm also not sure about them winning 2/3 conflicts against other legions:

Night of the Wolf vs Angron - Tactical victory, but symbolic loss, where the Wolf puppies managed to defeat the War Hounds/World Eaters, until Angron overcame Russ and was about to kill him. I really wouldn't know where to put that one.

We see in Corax that when Russ is wounded the entire Spulf legion goes into mourning and retreat. If Angron had taken Russ's head, they would have been casting down their weapons in despair (which they do until Corax beats sense into them in Corax, just from Russ being wounded) which would have easily let the World Eaters butcher them.

If that battle had continued to the bitter end, the wolves would have been destroyed.
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Re: Let's talk about the Recent(past year or so) WH40K fluff updates. Spoilers all

Postby The Grim Squeaker » 2017-05-20 01:33pm

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Executioners. i.e to wipe out other rogue Primarchs or even chapters.
(Their track record isn't as good as the Lunar Wolves, but at least they tried hard :))


Aren't they on 2 out of 3? not terrible odds. Is is there some other book that tells us the Lunar Wolves did in the two missing chapters?

They failed with the 1k sons, and we don't know how much of a role they had with the 2 missing legions. (But that the recruits from said legions may have ended up in the Ultramarines, and that other legions were involved).

Horus on the other hand, wiped out 70-90% of 5 legions :P
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Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2017-05-20 03:51pm

Whether the Wolves were intended as executioners originally seems at odds with the existence of the later Minotaurs chapter, who exist purely to fight other Space Marines (their Chapter Tactics even gives them Preferred Enemy: Space Marines).
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Postby Imperial Overlord » 2017-05-20 04:18pm

Eternal_Freedom wrote:Whether the Wolves were intended as executioners originally seems at odds with the existence of the later Minotaurs chapter, who exist purely to fight other Space Marines (their Chapter Tactics even gives them Preferred Enemy: Space Marines).


The Space Wolves are the Emperor's dogs and will tell the High Lords of Terra to fuck off if they don't like their orders. That's why the Minotaurs (who are nicely obedient) exist.
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Postby NecronLord » 2017-05-20 04:19pm

Yeah, the Minotaurs are the same thing for the High Lords, essentially.
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Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2017-05-20 04:46pm

Fair point.
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Postby Bedlam » 2017-05-20 05:47pm

I think there's some difference between the 30K Space Wolves legion and the 40K Space Wolves Chapter.

The original legion seemed to play at being barbarians for the psychological impact I.e. the leather masks where as at some point over the 10 thousand years they bought into their own advertising and became the full space Vikings they appear today.

Is there anything recent that states the Space Wolves still consider themselves the other space marines executioners? (I must admit I'm about 4 editions behind at this point and most of my up to date reading is from the Horus Heresy novels).

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Postby Imperial Overlord » 2017-05-22 05:39pm

It's not quite playing at being barbarians, it's more hiding their sophistication behind their "barbarian" customs and traditions. Guys who wear war paint and furs and like noisy drinking parties couldn't possibly be able master technical skills or sophisticated tactics right?
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Postby Alkaloid » 2017-06-03 04:23am

Horus on the other hand, wiped out 70-90% of 5 legions :P


Well, Horus and fully half the space marines in existence managed to account for most of 3 and a bit of the rest. Really, once the rest of the galaxy realised they were at war with them their performance went entirely to pot.

Actually, thinking about it Horus' plan for the heresy was terrible. It entirely revolved around a surprise attack involving most of his forces against a relatively small portion of his enemies, then hoping that he could storm the most heavily fortified position in existence before the enemy he knew was at his back arrived.

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Postby The Grim Squeaker » 2017-06-03 08:47am

Alkaloid wrote:
Horus on the other hand, wiped out 70-90% of 5 legions :P


Well, Horus and fully half the space marines in existence managed to account for most of 3 and a bit of the rest. Really, once the rest of the galaxy realised they were at war with them their performance went entirely to pot.

Actually, thinking about it Horus' plan for the heresy was terrible. It entirely revolved around a surprise attack involving most of his forces against a relatively small portion of his enemies, then hoping that he could storm the most heavily fortified position in existence before the enemy he knew was at his back arrived.

Well, it almost worked.
He thought he could convinve additional legions (e.g. the White scars especially, and Fulgrim had promised him that Ferrus Manus would join them).
He still came within an inch of killing the Emperor, and had the palace under siege.
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Re: Let's talk about the Recent(past year or so) WH40K fluff updates. Spoilers all

Postby Alkaloid » 2017-06-13 04:23am

Starting a war relying on an army you don't actually have isn't much better though, is it?


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