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Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-04-06 01:31pm

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-04- ... the-master

John Simm is returning to BBC sci-fi series Doctor Who as The Master, it has been confirmed.
The actor last played the evil Time Lord in 2009/2010 special The End of Time opposite David Tennant's Doctor, before regenerating offscreen into Michelle Gomez’s new incarnation Missy.
“I can confirm that it’s true, thanks to the power of time travel I’m back,” Simm said. “It’s always a pleasure to work with this great team of people and I can’t wait for you all to see what The Master gets up to in the next series.”
Steven Moffat, writer and executive producer, added: "Nothing stays secret for long on Doctor Who but you'll have to wait a little bit longer to see exactly what The Master is up to and how he makes his return to face the Doctor.
“It’s been a huge pleasure to have fan favourites John Simm and Michelle Gomez face to face in the same role! It’s not often you get to see a solo personality clash."
Doctor Who returns to BBC1 on Saturday 15th April at 7:20pm


Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first ever multi-Master story, correct?

Edit: While I'm overall feeling positive about this, I must admit I'd have been happier if they could have brought in Derek Jakobi, who despite his very brief appearance is my favourite new series Master.
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Postby Bedlam » 2017-04-06 01:36pm

Its the first even on TV, I know Big Finish have done at least one multi master audio.

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Postby Crazedwraith » 2017-04-06 01:39pm

So spoiler in the title is a thing now?

I wish they could bring in Jaccobi but he'd make most sense opposite the War Doctor which cant happen. (Though did someone say it had in rhe audios?)
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Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-04-06 01:43pm

Crazedwraith wrote:So spoiler in the title is a thing now?

I wish they could bring in Jaccobi but he'd make most sense opposite the War Doctor which cant happen. (Though did someone say it had in rhe audios?)


Apologies if its considered a spoiler. I figured if it was being publicly announced, they weren't exactly keeping it quiet and pretty much everyone who follows Who would know by the time it aired anyway.

I'd edit it, but the time limit has passed.
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Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Tribble » 2017-04-06 02:21pm

Well it might finally explain how the hell the Master survived the events of End of Time and escaped Gallifrey... wouldn't be surprised if the Doctor is somehow involved.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-04-06 02:24pm

Moffat, explain a glaring plot hole? If he does, he'll likely create more of them in the process.
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Postby Crazedwraith » 2017-04-06 02:44pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:Apologies if its considered a spoiler. I figured if it was being publicly announced, they weren't exactly keeping it quiet and pretty much everyone who follows Who would know by the time it aired anyway.


No worries. You're right it will be all over the place.

I wonder how two Masters would interact. Would they be working together, being the same person, or actually try and one up for the greater glory of their particular incarnation.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Moffat, explain a glaring plot hole? If he does, he'll likely create more of them in the process.


You're right of course. How the Master prevented himself from dying when even an "Immortality Gate" wasn't good enough is another one of those things I want to know, but knowing Moffat it would involve a robot ice cream cone and a flock of chickens so perhaps it's best left unsaid.
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Crazedwraith wrote:I wonder how two Masters would interact. Would they be working together, being the same person, or actually try and one up for the greater glory of their particular incarnation.

Don't forget the possibility of "fall passionately (but not too much, considering the BBC ratings) in lust with each other"... remember, one of them is the Simm!Master. :wtf:
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Crazedwraith wrote:I wonder how two Masters would interact. Would they be working together, being the same person, or actually try and one up for the greater glory of their particular incarnation.

Don't forget the possibility of "fall passionately (but not too much, considering the BBC ratings) in lust with each other"... remember, one of them is the Simm!Master. :wtf:


Would that still count as masturbation? :lol:
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Postby Soontir C'boath » 2017-04-07 08:42pm

Don't know if it's sad or not that I am more excited about Mondasian Cybermen making a comeback.
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Postby Crazedwraith » 2017-04-08 05:12am

Soontir C'boath wrote:Don't know if it's sad or not that I am more excited about Mondasian Cybermen making a comeback.


Huh. I thought all the ones after The Next Doctor were supposed to be real ones not parallel universe ones?
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Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-04-09 07:29pm

To be honest, the Cybermen have never been terribly impressive villains, at least in the new series.
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Soontir C'boath wrote:Don't know if it's sad or not that I am more excited about Mondasian Cybermen making a comeback.


Me too, I think the original look for the Cybermen is much more unsettling than the current one. With the originals you can tell that they're still largely human. I wonder if they'll go with the original voices as well? They were really unsettling, although I think they would be considered to hard to understand for current TV.

I assume the story is going to be a sort of 'genesis of the Cybermen' thing set on Mondas in the early years of the Cybermen. I wonder if they're take any plot points from Spare Parts, the sound of the crying Cyberman in that audio was truly scary.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-04-10 06:38am

Calling it now: The Master is going to end up having created the Cybermen.
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Soontir C'boath wrote:Don't know if it's sad or not that I am more excited about Mondasian Cybermen making a comeback.


Huh. I thought all the ones after The Next Doctor were supposed to be real ones not parallel universe ones?


They are.

But these are the original design too.
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Postby Crazedwraith » 2017-04-10 03:02pm

Oh dear goodness. :(

I don't blame the old show for having terrible costumes. They were the best they could manage. But why are we recreating things worse than the have to be?
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Postby Dartzap » 2017-04-10 05:06pm

Capaldi has said he really wanted a story with the Mondasians, and Moffat arranged it for him and his final series.
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Dartzap wrote:Capaldi has said he really wanted a story with the Mondasians, and Moffat arranged it for him and his final series.


Mark my words, he'll be killed by them just like the First Doctor. :)
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Postby Iroscato » 2017-04-10 05:12pm

Crazedwraith wrote:Oh dear goodness. :(

I don't blame the old show for having terrible costumes. They were the best they could manage. But why are we recreating things worse than the have to be?

They could have done with a slight streamlining, perhaps, but I'm down with them using the OG Cybermen - they still retain a certain creepiness IMO.

As for Simm returning...I dunno. If you'd told me this a few years ago I would've screamed myself sick with excitement, but given the current state of the series (read: off its fucking head half the time, magnificent entertainment the other half) I'm really conflicted.
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Dartzap wrote:Capaldi has said he really wanted a story with the Mondasians, and Moffat arranged it for him and his final series.


Mark my words, he'll be killed by them just like the First Doctor. :)

I actually hope so.

Would that make them the most successful enemies of the Doctor?

I'm not even sure the daleks have killed a regeneration offhand, apart from creating that metacrisis doctor.
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Postby NecronLord » 2017-04-12 05:13am

Bedlam wrote:Me too, I think the original look for the Cybermen is much more unsettling than the current one. With the originals you can tell that they're still largely human. I wonder if they'll go with the original voices as well? They were really unsettling, although I think they would be considered to hard to understand for current TV.

I assume the story is going to be a sort of 'genesis of the Cybermen' thing set on Mondas in the early years of the Cybermen. I wonder if they're take any plot points from Spare Parts, the sound of the crying Cyberman in that audio was truly scary.
Well they still have Nick Briggs, so they can do it easily if they want.
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Enigma wrote:
Dartzap wrote:Capaldi has said he really wanted a story with the Mondasians, and Moffat arranged it for him and his final series.


Mark my words, he'll be killed by them just like the First Doctor. :)

I actually hope so.

Would that make them the most successful enemies of the Doctor?

I'm not even sure the daleks have killed a regeneration offhand, apart from creating that metacrisis doctor.

It's quite possible that a dalek shot is what caused the spaceship crash which killed the eighth doctor. And that's worth more than a regeneration, I think, since he didn't regenerate, he actually died and had to be resurrected by the Sisterhood of Karn. Going by regenerations, though, if you count time lords as a single enemy they took out more. The Time Lord council took out the second, the Master took out the fourth and the Rani took out the sixth.

On the "tenth planet" cybermen: I'm fine with them using them as long as they don't append in stomping noises.

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Postby SpottedKitty » 2017-04-12 07:39pm

Aaaand the new Radio Times is out.

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Previews of all the episodes, with Missy mentioned as guest-starring in three (including the final one). No mention of the Simm!Master, they must be keeping him for a surprise.
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