Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

SF: discuss futuristic sci-fi series, ideas, and crossovers.

Moderator: NecronLord

User avatar
Tribble
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2013
Joined: 2008-11-18 11:28am
Location: stardestroyer.net

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Tribble » 2017-04-12 09:18pm

jwl wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Enigma wrote:
Mark my words, he'll be killed by them just like the First Doctor. :)

I actually hope so.

Would that make them the most successful enemies of the Doctor?

I'm not even sure the daleks have killed a regeneration offhand, apart from creating that metacrisis doctor.

It's quite possible that a dalek shot is what caused the spaceship crash which killed the eighth doctor. And that's worth more than a regeneration, I think, since he didn't regenerate, he actually died and had to be resurrected by the Sisterhood of Karn. Going by regenerations, though, if you count time lords as a single enemy they took out more. The Time Lord council took out the second, the Master took out the fourth and the Rani took out the sixth.

On the "tenth planet" cybermen: I'm fine with them using them as long as they don't append in stomping noises.


The Timelords are also at least indirectly responsible for the War Doctor (since his regeneration was at least partially to do with the Time War) and the 10th Doctor (Rassilion's scheme and Master leaving the nuclear bolt running is what setup the circumstances for the 10th Doctor's sacrifice.) Technically speaking they also caused the 11th Doctor's regeneration since he probably would have lived for a bit longer otherwise.

The Daleks are also indirectly responsible for the War Doctor (same as above), 9th Doctor (their actions are what prompted Rose to absorb the Time Vortex), 10th Doctor (threat of them returning) and 11th Doctor's (the whole fight at Trenzalore) regenerations.

Amusing bit is that both the Timelords and the Daleks are also responsible for his new set of regenerations (had the Daleks not been so damn persistent and left him alone he probably would have died of old age), so they are both the Doctor's worst enemies and greatest helpers.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - the official Troll motto as stated by Adam Savage

User avatar
Tribble
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2013
Joined: 2008-11-18 11:28am
Location: stardestroyer.net

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Tribble » 2017-04-12 09:33pm

I'd also say it's a tossup between which regenerations were the most stupid. Is it the Sixth, where apparently he just hit his head off screen (ya I know why this happened outside universe, but its still ridiculous) or the Seventh, where he randomly walked into the middle of a gunfight, got shot, then the surgeon operating on him randomly decided to have fun doing some exploratory surgery?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - the official Troll motto as stated by Adam Savage

User avatar
Bedlam
Jedi Master
Posts: 1167
Joined: 2006-09-23 11:12am
Location: Edinburgh, UK

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Bedlam » 2017-04-13 02:00pm

Tribble wrote:
jwl wrote:
NecronLord wrote:I actually hope so.

Would that make them the most successful enemies of the Doctor?

I'm not even sure the daleks have killed a regeneration offhand, apart from creating that metacrisis doctor.

It's quite possible that a dalek shot is what caused the spaceship crash which killed the eighth doctor. And that's worth more than a regeneration, I think, since he didn't regenerate, he actually died and had to be resurrected by the Sisterhood of Karn. Going by regenerations, though, if you count time lords as a single enemy they took out more. The Time Lord council took out the second, the Master took out the fourth and the Rani took out the sixth.

On the "tenth planet" cybermen: I'm fine with them using them as long as they don't append in stomping noises.


The Timelords are also at least indirectly responsible for the War Doctor (since his regeneration was at least partially to do with the Time War) and the 10th Doctor (Rassilion's scheme and Master leaving the nuclear bolt running is what setup the circumstances for the 10th Doctor's sacrifice.) Technically speaking they also caused the 11th Doctor's regeneration since he probably would have lived for a bit longer otherwise.

The Daleks are also indirectly responsible for the War Doctor (same as above), 9th Doctor (their actions are what prompted Rose to absorb the Time Vortex), 10th Doctor (threat of them returning) and 11th Doctor's (the whole fight at Trenzalore) regenerations.

Amusing bit is that both the Timelords and the Daleks are also responsible for his new set of regenerations (had the Daleks not been so damn persistent and left him alone he probably would have died of old age), so they are both the Doctor's worst enemies and greatest helpers.


Well if you want to get really into it all of his regenerations are due to the timelords, if their society had been different he never would have left to die in the various ways he did.

I'd also say it's a tossup between which regenerations were the most stupid. Is it the Sixth, where apparently he just hit his head off screen (ya I know why this happened outside universe, but its still ridiculous) or the Seventh, where he randomly walked into the middle of a gunfight, got shot, then the surgeon operating on him randomly decided to have fun doing some exploratory surgery?


I wouldn't entirely blame Grace for that one, the Doctor seemed to indicate that the anathetic wasn't all that good for him and she hardly expected to be operating on an alien (although she did just ignore the x-ray showing a different internal structure).

User avatar
Captain Seafort
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1528
Joined: 2008-10-10 11:52am
Location: Blighty

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Captain Seafort » 2017-04-13 02:38pm

Bedlam wrote:I wouldn't entirely blame Grace for that one, the Doctor seemed to indicate that the anathetic wasn't all that good for him and she hardly expected to be operating on an alien (although she did just ignore the x-ray showing a different internal structure).


IIRC she never saw the X-ray - it was binned without showing her because it was thought to be a double exposure.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe - Albert Einstein

User avatar
Parallax
Jedi Knight
Posts: 845
Joined: 2002-10-06 04:34am
Contact:

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Parallax » 2017-04-13 06:38pm

The sixth's regeneration was the dumbest, as pointed out, the TARDIS was attacked and he hit his head on the console. Really. And it wasn't even Colin Baker, it was Sylvester McCoy in a horribly bad wig as Colin Baker gave the middle finger to the BBC for the terrible way he had been treated.

User avatar
The Romulan Republic
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 11780
Joined: 2008-10-15 01:37am

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-04-13 11:46pm

Parallax wrote:The sixth's regeneration was the dumbest, as pointed out, the TARDIS was attacked and he hit his head on the console. Really. And it wasn't even Colin Baker, it was Sylvester McCoy in a horribly bad wig as Colin Baker gave the middle finger to the BBC for the terrible way he had been treated.


As he rightly should have.

One has to feel sorry for Colin Baker. He deserved far better.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.

User avatar
Parallax
Jedi Knight
Posts: 845
Joined: 2002-10-06 04:34am
Contact:

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Parallax » 2017-04-14 06:14pm

Oh, indeed. I've been lucky to meet Colin Baker and he's an absolutely delightful man, full of mirth and good humour. And his works with Big Finish have really demonstrated just what a great Doctor he could have been, if only Michael Grade hadn't been such a Class A Douchebag.

User avatar
Tribble
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2013
Joined: 2008-11-18 11:28am
Location: stardestroyer.net

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Tribble » 2017-04-14 07:28pm

Parallax wrote:Oh, indeed. I've been lucky to meet Colin Baker and he's an absolutely delightful man, full of mirth and good humour. And his works with Big Finish have really demonstrated just what a great Doctor he could have been, if only Michael Grade hadn't been such a Class A Douchebag.


Hell, just giving him the clothes he had wanted would have been a massive improvement.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - the official Troll motto as stated by Adam Savage

User avatar
Darth Lucifer
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1518
Joined: 2004-10-14 04:18am
Location: In the mind of Gaius Baltar

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Darth Lucifer » 2017-04-15 02:46pm

Tribble wrote:
Parallax wrote:Oh, indeed. I've been lucky to meet Colin Baker and he's an absolutely delightful man, full of mirth and good humour. And his works with Big Finish have really demonstrated just what a great Doctor he could have been, if only Michael Grade hadn't been such a Class A Douchebag.


Hell, just giving him the clothes he had wanted would have been a massive improvement.


Thanks to the internet, here's an artist's rendition of The Sixth Doctor in classic black. Sexy looking man right there, so much better than the clown suit:

Image
Image

User avatar
jwl
Jedi Master
Posts: 1092
Joined: 2013-01-02 04:31pm

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby jwl » 2017-04-19 07:46am

Darth Lucifer wrote:
Tribble wrote:
Parallax wrote:Oh, indeed. I've been lucky to meet Colin Baker and he's an absolutely delightful man, full of mirth and good humour. And his works with Big Finish have really demonstrated just what a great Doctor he could have been, if only Michael Grade hadn't been such a Class A Douchebag.


Hell, just giving him the clothes he had wanted would have been a massive improvement.


Thanks to the internet, here's an artist's rendition of The Sixth Doctor in classic black. Sexy looking man right there, so much better than the clown suit:

Image

Although that image isn't quite accurate to Colin's vision of the costume, because the idea is to have a darker costume to match his darker personality, and that costume doesn't really make him look darker, just less outrageous. The best rendering I could find online of this idea is this drawing:
Image

I would say you could get more of an idea of a darker doctor from that costume.

User avatar
The Romulan Republic
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 11780
Joined: 2008-10-15 01:37am

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-04-19 09:19pm

That actually looks quite a bit like how Eleven dressed later on, if more black.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.

User avatar
jwl
Jedi Master
Posts: 1092
Joined: 2013-01-02 04:31pm

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby jwl » 2017-04-20 08:54am

The Romulan Republic wrote:That actually looks quite a bit like how Eleven dressed later on, if more black.

And I'd say it worked in the same kind of way. Eleven never was really all that dark anyway, but his latter costume did make him feel a tad darker.

User avatar
The Romulan Republic
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 11780
Joined: 2008-10-15 01:37am

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-04-20 06:12pm

I tend to see Eleven as a very ruthless, even cruel and self-loathing man who hid it most of the time behind a mask of hyper, cheerful eccentricity.

I remember at some point I started jokingly referring to him as Joker Doctor, though that's far from a perfect fit. Eleven, overall, wasn't actually evil
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.

User avatar
Gandalf
SD.net White Wizard
Posts: 13874
Joined: 2002-09-16 11:13pm
Location: A video store in Sydney, Australia

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Gandalf » 2017-04-20 09:39pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:I tend to see Eleven as a very ruthless, even cruel and self-loathing man who hid it most of the time behind a mask of hyper, cheerful eccentricity.

I remember at some point I started jokingly referring to him as Joker Doctor, though that's far from a perfect fit. Eleven, overall, wasn't actually evil


Yeah, he certainly handled the genocide of the Silence... lightly.
"How you wanna raise a flag with a rifle
To make us want to celebrate anything but survival?
Nah, you watching tele for The Bachelor
But wouldn’t read a book about a fuckload of massacres?"

- A.B. Original, January 26

"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately."
- George Carlin

User avatar
Tribble
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2013
Joined: 2008-11-18 11:28am
Location: stardestroyer.net

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Tribble » 2017-04-20 10:40pm

Gandalf wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:I tend to see Eleven as a very ruthless, even cruel and self-loathing man who hid it most of the time behind a mask of hyper, cheerful eccentricity.

I remember at some point I started jokingly referring to him as Joker Doctor, though that's far from a perfect fit. Eleven, overall, wasn't actually evil


Yeah, he certainly handled the genocide of the Silence... lightly.


Ya, and apparently he's a saint compared to the War Doctor... even without using the Moment the War Doctor was still apparently responsible for countless atrocities.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - the official Troll motto as stated by Adam Savage

User avatar
Tribble
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2013
Joined: 2008-11-18 11:28am
Location: stardestroyer.net

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby Tribble » 2017-04-24 11:32am

You know, the Doctor's incarnations have trouble getting along with each other sometimes, I can only imagine that having two Masters in the same room together will inevitably cause some... friction. Given his massive ego I highly doubt John Simm's Master will want to regenerate, and he's a bit of a misogynist to boot. Maybe he'll end up getting some "help" from the Mistress. As in, she'll shoot him and trigger his regeneration. :D
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - the official Troll motto as stated by Adam Savage

User avatar
The Romulan Republic
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 11780
Joined: 2008-10-15 01:37am

Re: Doctor Who News: John Simm to return for multi-Master story.

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-04-24 09:55pm

Thus bringing about her own existence?

Yeah, I can see the Master (and Moffat) doing that.
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy." - Lincoln.


Return to “Science Fiction”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest