The Doctor's Rogues Gallery.

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Favourite Doctor Who villain?

The Master/Missy.
11
69%
The Great Intelligence.
1
6%
Davros.
2
13%
The Rani.
0
No votes
Rassilon.
0
No votes
The Cult of Skaro (okay, technically four villains).
0
No votes
Madame Kovarian.
0
No votes
The Doctor (he has gone off the rails a number of times).
2
13%
Other.
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 16

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Crazedwraith wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:Their's some truth to that, but...

I doubt it would have mattered much if the Doctor hadn't removed Harriet Jones, because the Master would have probably just found a way to take over anyway in a season or so. I mean, he's the Master. Kind of out of Harriet's league.
I have actually seen people assume this the other way. That the only way Saxon came to power was because Ten wrecked Harriet Jones' Golden Age early.
I know. And its idiotic.

Of course, you can always speculate as to how a different timeline might have gone wildly differently due to the butterfly effect, but presuming the Master still came to Earth and tried to take over... he's going to pull it off.
But I tend to think you're right. Nine's prediction basically comes with a honking great asterisk mark. "Assuming no other time travellers get involved"
Yep. As the Doctor removing her showed, her "golden age" wasn't a fixed point. Any time traveler could have mucked it up, just like the Doctor did.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, the Doctor may have inadvertently saved her life by deposing her. When he removed her from power, he left her alive. The Master might not have been so generous.
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Harriet Jones couldn't overcome a rumour but she will totally beat the Master with his archangel brainwashing network, a network which humans still have no idea what it does, yet alone suspect its something we need to deal with. Well I am convinced. :lol:
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Their's some truth to that, but...

I doubt it would have mattered much if the Doctor hadn't removed Harriet Jones, because the Master would have probably just found a way to take over anyway in a season or so. I mean, he's the Master. Kind of out of Harriet's league.
Oh yea, definitely ^^

Best-case, the Doctor decides to visit the golden age and notices the Master in time. More likely, the Doctor getting her out of the way might've helped.

My point is more, the 'deposing Harriet was wrong' arguments (sans Master) can easily be applied in the Doctor's defense, often more fittingly.
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I voted for The Master/Missy, but I need to change my vote. My favorite Doctor Who villain would have to be The SIlence. That two-part story of series six is downright amazing.
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Honestly, one of the better villains of the new series was The Dream Lord.
I thought he was a damn near perfect foil for the Doctor.
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Parallax wrote:Honestly, one of the better villains of the new series was The Dream Lord.
I thought he was a damn near perfect foil for the Doctor.
Wasn't he just the dark aspects of the Doctor's own subconscious? When I said the Doctor was his own worst enemy, I meant it literally as well as figuratively (The Valeyard counts as well of course) :P
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JLTucker wrote:I voted for The Master/Missy, but I need to change my vote. My favorite Doctor Who villain would have to be The SIlence. That two-part story of series six is downright amazing.
That would under species not villian. Such a pity Time Of The Doctor failed to make them make any sense at all.
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Crazedwraith wrote:
JLTucker wrote:I voted for The Master/Missy, but I need to change my vote. My favorite Doctor Who villain would have to be The SIlence. That two-part story of series six is downright amazing.
That would under species not villian. Such a pity Time Of The Doctor failed to make them make any sense at all.
Damn?! Really? Well, shit. I'll stick with The Master/Missy.
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On Daleks, which individual daleks make the best villains?

The one from "Dalek" managed to be singularly formidable and carry an episode on it's own, imo the single most intimidating in the entire series.

Dalek Sec of course had great smack-talk with the Cybermen.

Then you've got Emperor Daleks and such.
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The one from Dalek was very effective.

And I'll second the earlier praise for the Dream Lord.
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Q99 wrote:On Daleks, which individual daleks make the best villains?

The one from "Dalek" managed to be singularly formidable and carry an episode on it's own, imo the single most intimidating in the entire series.

Dalek Sec of course had great smack-talk with the Cybermen.

Then you've got Emperor Daleks and such.
Oh, that's a tough one. The one in "Dalek" was the most threatening in the series so far, but Dalek Sec's smackdown of the Cybermen was epic. If I had to choose.... I'd say the one from Dalek, as it was their first introduction in the New Series and it made a great first impression (so great in fact that further appearances were bound to fall into villain decay).
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Tribble wrote:If I had to choose.... I'd say the one from Dalek, as it was their first introduction in the New Series and it made a great first impression
<nod> Me too. It was also, IIRC, among the first details we're told (beyond Nine's angst) getting into "what happened in the Time War".
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Oh, and what about that... thing from "Midnight"? Apart from its various abilities we learn practically nothing about it, and after surviving the encounter the Doctor so traumatised he simply wants to gets himself and everyone else off the planet asap rather than find out what the hell it is. That's a Doctor Who first IIRC. It's certainly one of the best "single episode" villains in the series.
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Yeah, for single episode villains, it and the Dream Lord seem to be the high water mark, at least for the new series.
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Did we ever find out who was behind the Mummy on the Orient Express? IIRC the train's AI was directly responsible for a lot of the mayhem (except for the Mummy's victims), but someone had to set up the whole scenario.
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It wasn't the train's AI, it was the re-animation stuff in the mummy itself that was the problem
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