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 Post subject: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 08:01am
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The Emperor has balls as we know because he had sons with women= sensei.

The Marines have no balls cuz they are atroffied, but are they gone or just small?? I was wondering from where in the body do they get the hormone testosterone?? It does make u more aggresive and since this is the stuff that fuels Astartes , where does it come from??

Did the primarchs have balls???? Or sons??

And do Emperors children Chaos marines fornicate ???

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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 09:04am
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There are other hormones in the body besides testosterone. To my knowledge Space Marine implantation processes have only specified that they rely on "young males", nothing more specific than that. Presumably after all the implants and biochemical fucking about with a prospective Astartes' body, the hormones that a Space Marine needs are regulated by the new implants.

The Emperor's Children 'fornicate' in the same way that soccer fans get 'moderately excited'. Slaanesh doesn't do things at anything less than 11.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 09:26am
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Androgens are also produced by the Adrenal gland, though in smaller amounts. Either they have an 'implant' that makes or stores back up, or somehow makes the adrenals produce adequate amounts of the required hormone.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 11:20am
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Now, this is my impression so I might be wrong. But IIRC from all the talk about fornication by the EC and from all the talk about space marine not being able to reproduce I don't think there has ever been any actual flat out statement that they are castrated or something similar. If you ask me, it's far more likely that with all the modifications done to their bodies and genome they simply become too far removed from human kind to produce viable offspring. So it's not that they can't have sex, they just can't have children. That and if their members have increased proportionally with the rest of their bodies there might be other more technical issues to having sex as well.



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I am aware of no instance of space marines actually being said to be without such drives, and certainly no instance of them lacking the ability.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 02:18pm
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There was an article in White Dwarf from around the end of 1st ed and the beginning of 2nd ed on the transformation of a recruit into a space marine. It mentioned in passing that the process of creating a marine left him sterile, no details as to what this meant, just that he would not be fathering any kids through normal biological functions. As to the exact WD, I'm not sure. I would have to delve into the stack to see if I could find the article again.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 04:58pm
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I don't think anyone with a position to make claims regarding even very loose 40K canon cares enough about whether or not Space Marines can have sex to comment one way or the other. Space Marines certainly cannot have children, and they're superhuman and unrelatable to humans enough to make any sort of romantic relationship unworkable. But whether or not they're physically capable of doing the deed? Or wanting to, or if the Emperor decided to eliminate a well-known weakness of male physiology, you can believe as you will.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 05:56pm
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Is there any evidence of any non-Chaos Marine exhibiting more than a vague, vestigial sex drive? Or actually having sex? I don't know of any.

If Slaaneshi Chaos Marines do it, but no other Marines do, then that may indicate that Slaanesh is doing something to/for his/her Space Marines, not that that's a standard feature of Astartes biology. It's not like the "rotting mass of disease" biology of Nurglite Plague Marines is standard-issue, after all.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 06:31pm
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Is there any evidence of any non-Chaos Marine exhibiting more than a vague, vestigial sex drive? Or actually having sex? I don't know of any.

I'm no 40k scholar, but from memory and googling it appears the Space Wolves have a sex drive, and the Salamanders may or may not take wives.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 07:27pm
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Ah. In the Space Wolf books I read, we saw only hints of a sex drive- Ragnar having vague feelings for... I think she was an inquisitor's apprentice. But nothing particularly strong. The sort of thing that might be more psychological than biological, which is why I called it "vestigial."

That's a bit more definite.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-18 09:15pm
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Simon_Jester wrote:
Ah. In the Space Wolf books I read, we saw only hints of a sex drive- Ragnar having vague feelings for... I think she was an inquisitor's apprentice. But nothing particularly strong. The sort of thing that might be more psychological than biological, which is why I called it "vestigial."

That's a bit more definite.

Yeah it's a junior inquisitor Kara Isaan. If I remember right it also states that those feelings shouldn't be possible, but that Ragnar is a misfit in a lot of ways.

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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-20 08:08am
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It could that sex drive and the state of their reproductive organs could be something that varies from chapter to chapter (different geneseeds and traditions).



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-20 11:27pm
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While exceptions exist, most literature tends to lean towards Space Marines not even having a sex drive.

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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-20 11:50pm
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As I recall there is a similar situation with the Spartan's of Halo. The "Fall of Reach" book specifically mentions that one of the upgrades greatly reduces sex drive. Perhaps something similar happens in Space Marines, especially as the process is even mroe invasive than the Spartan version.

That, combined with being trained to do nothing but fight and die for your whole life probably has an effect as well.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-21 12:04am
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I'm reminded of a story by David Langford, from the late 1970s I think (which was a great time for anti-war SF).

They didn't really have supersoldiers in there, they just had a training method in which they could kill you repeatedly and somehow bring you back. Some kind of mindstate recording plus cloning, something like that. The point being that the troops got totally inured to pain and dying after getting killed fifty or a hundred times in live-fire training.

One side effect was that by the time the protagonist had reached that point, his sex drive had basically vanished.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-22 07:31am
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I'm no 40k scholar, but from memory and googling it appears the Space Wolves have a sex drive, and the Salamanders may or may not take wives.

In Space Wolves Codex, Wolf Lord and his company find a planet of lovely ladies they decided to have a feast with, until discovering that their hosts "are not people at all". It was very vague, but it does suggest both... urges are still present.

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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-23 03:30am
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old stories the codex guys had special servent girls for that, the wolves and the EC are defiatly shown to have sex drives. I believe that the statement is that by the time the geneseeding is done the canidate is no longer the same species as us and can't have little ones. The old fluff says that there can't be female marines either.



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-23 04:16am
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The Space Wolves are pretty divergent from normal Marines genetically- the process by which they get their modifications is a bit different, and the phenotype is different.

Heh. Maybe it's something unusual to the Wolves, on account of Russ just being the ballsiest of the primarchs?



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-23 10:53am
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yes but even the blue boys used to have surgecly modified comfort women. peronally I thonk it's men of steel women of kleenex especially when guys can spit acid



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 Post subject: Re: Space marines and reproductive organs PostPosted: 2012-05-30 11:20pm
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On the other hand,steroids and the huge hormonal changes induced do suggest that their ability to get it on should be reduced.



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