The New Jedi Order vs the Roman Empire

[Star Wars 888]

Seriously, somebody actually argued for the latter.

The NJO is dropped off in Egypt. Nero realizes this somehow and tries to kill them. The NJO has access to Star Wars era technology but not Stealth X's or other vehicles or starships.

Can they succeed?

[ray245]

Seriously, somebody actually argued for the latter.

The NJO is dropped off in Egypt. Nero realizes this somehow and tries to kill them. The NJO has access to Star Wars era technology but not Stealth X's or other vehicles or starships.

Can they succeed?

Care to give some more details, like how many Jedi will be brought over by the ROB? If not, your post is as good as spam.

[Stofsk]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached Peak Versus Debate.

[Mobius IO]

Can they succeed?

No.

[Star Wars 888]

Care to give some more details, like how many Jedi will be brought over by the ROB? If not, your post is as good as spam.

The entire NJO as of Fate of the Jedi.

Since its exact number is disputed, let's say that, in addition to the Masters, there are 200 knights and 200 apprentices.

[Star Wars 888]

Can they succeed?

No.

Care to elaborate?

[lordofchange13]

WOW this is really a jedi (with technology far beyond our own) fighting the roman empire (who don't even have guns, or the use of titanium).

[Stofsk]

Can they succeed?

No.

Care to elaborate?

God are you for real? Nero tries to kill a couple hundred demi-gods with magic powers and gadgets. The Jedi will kill whatever Nero throws at them, kill Nero, then attempt to talk to someone sane.

[Serafina]

Can they succeed?

No.

Bullshit.

If they only want to survive, that's ridiculously easy. All they have to do is stay out of sight and move to some other area, possibly out of the Empire.
Remember what era we are talking about - no crime fighting technology (like cameras), no instant communications. And a Jedi has a great deal of tricks (such as mind tricks) and is next-to-impossible to take down with a small group.
Numbers don't really matter here. Even hundreds of Jedi could just scatter and hide amongst the normal populace all across the Empire.

Now, if the Jedi want to kill Nero (for some random reason), it get's a bit more complicated. But even if they have just standard Jedi equipment (commlinks, lightsabers, some random gadgets) they already have a good chance of doing so. We are talking about a group of people with superhuman abilities. They can just scale the outer walls of Neros palace, slaughter the guards inside and cut him apart with a lightsaber. Or infiltrate the palace using mind-tricks and stealth.

Either way, the Roman Empire and the Jedi will not meet on an open battlefield, legions against Jedi. The Empire will be unable to catch them to force such a situation, and the Jedi won't look for it.
Given the enormous abilities of jedi and the period we are talking about, both hiding and assassinating is easy for them.

[Themightytom]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached Peak Versus Debate.

Yeah I thought the "one Star Destroyer destroys an entire galaxy" thread was bad.



Is too much to ask that people, if they can't be bothered to set up conditions or scenarios at least pick participants on equal footing? What the hell is the roman empire going to do against a light saber, or WORSE a blaster? They'd have their hands full with a company of storm troopers, let alone five hundred or so Jedi.

[Mobius IO]

Can they succeed?

No.

Bullshit.

If they only want to survive, that's ridiculously easy. All they have to do is stay out of sight and move to some other area, possibly out of the Empire.
Remember what era we are talking about - no crime fighting technology (like cameras), no instant communications. And a Jedi has a great deal of tricks (such as mind tricks) and is next-to-impossible to take down with a small group.
Numbers don't really matter here. Even hundreds of Jedi could just scatter and hide amongst the normal populace all across the Empire.

Now, if the Jedi want to kill Nero (for some random reason), it get's a bit more complicated. But even if they have just standard Jedi equipment (commlinks, lightsabers, some random gadgets) they already have a good chance of doing so. We are talking about a group of people with superhuman abilities. They can just scale the outer walls of Neros palace, slaughter the guards inside and cut him apart with a lightsaber. Or infiltrate the palace using mind-tricks and stealth.

Either way, the Roman Empire and the Jedi will not meet on an open battlefield, legions against Jedi. The Empire will be unable to catch them to force such a situation, and the Jedi won't look for it.
Given the enormous abilities of jedi and the period we are talking about, both hiding and assassinating is easy for them.

Ummm the question was if the Roman Empire could succeed at killing the NJO ("Nero realizes this somehow and tries to kill them... Can they succeed?") so I stand by my "no".

Unless it was poorly worded and the OP was asking in the NJO would survive/win, in which case the answer is "yes".

[Serafina]

Ummm the question was if the Roman Empire could succeed at killing the NJO ("Nero realizes this somehow and tries to kill them... Can they succeed?") so I stand by my "no".

Unless it was poorly worded and the OP was asking in the NJO would survive/win, in which case the answer is "yes".

And how exactly are they supposed to find them and pin them down in order to get the numbers they would need to kill them?

You can't kill someone when you do not know where he is. With the conditions in the Roman Empire (no modern technology) and the abilities of the Jedi, hiding or simply going somewhere else is ridiculously easy. And if they run into a random roman patrol, they can evade it because they are not recognized in the first place, use mind tricks or because a single Jedi with Lightsaber has no problems slaughering them.

[Mobius IO]

Ummm the question was if the Roman Empire could succeed at killing the NJO ("Nero realizes this somehow and tries to kill them... Can they succeed?") so I stand by my "no".

Unless it was poorly worded and the OP was asking in the NJO would survive/win, in which case the answer is "yes".

And how exactly are they supposed to find them and pin them down in order to get the numbers they would need to kill them?

You can't kill someone when you do not know where he is. With the conditions in the Roman Empire (no modern technology) and the abilities of the Jedi, hiding or simply going somewhere else is ridiculously easy. And if they run into a random roman patrol, they can evade it because they are not recognized in the first place, use mind tricks or because a single Jedi with Lightsaber has no problems slaughering them.

Are you reading what I wrote???

NO the Roman Empire cannot kill the Jedi

[Serafina]

Ah, sorry.
Both your original, your second AND the OP-post were unclear.
"Can they succeed" could mean both the Roman Empire AND the NJO. I went for the latter, since i saw the Roman Empire as a single entity (and hence not as "they) while i saw the Jedi as a group of individuals (since no amount was specified originally).

[Serafina]

They could offer someone a bounty of 30 pieces of silver to cut some Jedi throat in their sleep.

Fucking Force might wake them up in time though.

That still assumes that they know where to find the jedi, how they look etc., and that the Jedi are too stupid to stay hidden or, you know, post guards.

[Star Wars 888]

Quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if Luke could solo.

[Rossum]

Do the Jedi have resistance to the common cold? If not, they go the way of the martians and are defeated by the lowliest of Apollos creatures.

[Mobius IO]

Do the Jedi have resistance to the common cold? If not, they go the way of the martians and are defeated by the lowliest of Apollos creatures.

Disease is much more likely to be spread from the Jedi to the Romans. Both because the Jedi have much better medical technology, force healing, and as members of a galactic civilization a much larger immunity pool.

The later is why the New World was destroyed by Asian/European diseases and not the other way around.

[Star Wars 888]

Do the Jedi have resistance to the common cold? If not, they go the way of the martians and are defeated by the lowliest of Apollos creatures.

Star Wars era medicine is highly advanced, so advanced that, according to Caedus, one in Star Wars is more likely to die of an asteroid than of old age. Besides, skilled enough Force users can purge even poisons (to a certain degree) from their bodies.

[Serafina]

The later is why the New World was destroyed by Asian/European diseases and not the other way around.

On that (off-topic, but let's ingest something worthwhile) matter, any european who got an american disease was also very unlikely to infect the european population. Simply due to travel times, any european was quite likely to be sick and possibly dead before he arrived back home. Meanwhile, the european mostly spread diseases that were not lethal to them. Hence they could transfer it from europe to america. It doesn't work as well the other way round, since few americans were traveling to europe.

Either way, the Jedi aren't going to be in much danger here, if only due to their force abilities.

[Mobius IO]

The later is why the New World was destroyed by Asian/European diseases and not the other way around.

On that (off-topic, but let's ingest something worthwhile) matter, any european who got an american disease was also very unlikely to infect the european population. Simply due to travel times, any european was quite likely to be sick and possibly dead before he arrived back home. Meanwhile, the european mostly spread diseases that were not lethal to them. Hence they could transfer it from europe to america. It doesn't work as well the other way round, since few americans were traveling to europe.

Either way, the Jedi aren't going to be in much danger here, if only due to their force abilities.

This is also true. But eventually people did start coming back from the New World and there were no mass European die offs where as the New World lost the majority of its population to Old World plagues.

[Serafina]

Yes, population isolation in america was the main factor, but the uneven exchange of people was an additional barrier, and i wanted to mention it.

[Mobius IO]

That still assumes that they know where to find the jedi, how they look etc., and that the Jedi are too stupid to stay hidden or, you know, post guards.

Yes, it'd probably lead to a lot of innocent people being murdered in a literal witch hunt. It'd keep the Jedi from overtly pulling shit though.

I just don't see it. I mean the Jedi can display literal and technological magic. They would quickly become the authority in any location they want. I'd think the Jedi's biggest problem would be what to do with all the defecting Legions and people who want to worship them as (demi)gods...

[thegreatpl]

Um, I have to ask but why would Nero want to kill the Jedi? Not like they threaten his power.

Nero is sometimes known to have been a popular ruler, especially in the east. So, I have to ask why the Jedi don't create a school in Rome, and move there to be in the capital, and basically become the knights of the Empire. Use the tech to invade the Parthian empire, and from there on, invade
India and China.

[RedImperator]

There is an actual interesting scenario in here that's not HURF BLURF JEDI KILL EVERYONE LOL. The Jedi in this situation are rather like Cortez and his men in Mexico, right down to the fact they're trapped with no way home. It's not as if Nero didn't have enemies who would see the Jedi as incredibly useful allies to have. The Jedi would be very difficult for Nero to deal with on their own; as shock troops attached to a larger conventional army, they'd be nearly unstoppable. Working with allies also negates the Jedi's disadvantages, such as not speaking any of the local languages or having a supply base.

Things get murkier after Nero's fall. The Jedi would be very useful as a bodyguard/secret police/spies/commisars for Nero's successor, but being lightside, you have to wonder how much of the Empire's bloodier side they'd be willing to tolerate. It's hard to imagine Luke Skywalker just shrugging and accepting gladiatorial games or widespread slavery.