Teleros wrote:The Lens - page 120 & 121
Clarissa's Lens grows magically as / after she gets her Second Stage Lensman treatment from Kit, who then shows her his Lens.
And this is one of my reasons for thinking that the Lens is a purely psychic construct- it doesn't need to get more atoms from somewhere in order to become larger.
Universe - page124
Everywhere upon Klovia, Tellus, and Thrale, and in many localities of many other planets, the words 'Gray Lensman', without surname, had only one meaning.
I love how Kinnison still manages to go undercover though despite this level of fame
A bit of plastic surgery would see to that, I think. Not mentioned, but reasonably inferred under the circumstances.
Universe - page 132
More Valerian physical attributes. The 14ft jump bit makes it sound like the armour isn't powered when they do that, but that seems a little odd compared to writings elsewhere. Perhaps the armour just supports its own weight, or most of its own weight?
Valerians may not rely on power assists as much as humans do- their strength relative to the weight of GP armor is much greater. Most of the powered systems on a GP suit (discounting unusual, super-heavily armored models like Kinnison's suits in Galactic Patrol
and Children of the Lens
) involve things other than motorized power assist: energy shielding, flight, and weapon power.
Technology - page 145 - 148
The state of Lyranian AA weaponry. This is first in relation to a WW1 / WW2 - era aircraft though, not a speedster. In the other lines, Clarissa is rescuing Helen and does not appear to have (or at least use) shields on the speedster, either of which may be why she's worried about AA fire from the Lyranians.
Also note that these are solid projectiles, not beam weapons- and we've already seen repeated evidence that shields which work well against beam weapons may work poorly against shrapnel...
Technology - page 150 & 151
...We also get an approximate mass for a speedster + Palainian - which, given that Nadreck is not that big, is probably a useful rough figure for human speedster masses as well (although humans probably have quite a bit of additional life support equipment, seeing how cold Nadreck likes it).
Not necessarily. Heating is easier than cooling, and in order to operate near planets, Nadreck needs really
extensive cryogenics to keep the cockpit of his speeder liveable, on account of sunlight. However, we've already learned in Second Stage Lensman
that Nadreck's speedster is effectively identical to Kinnison's except
for life support issues and such, so apparently it balances out to within a few percent of total mass.
By way of comparison, Wikipedia gives the mass of the Space Shuttle as ~2 tonnes, with a maximum payload of about 3.8 tonnes.
I think you badly misread the Wiki article. In any case, looking here
, we find that the shuttle orbiter
(the part that goes into space, independent of the contents of the strap-on rocket boosters and external fuel tank) has a mass on launch of 2040 metric tonnes and a dry mass (on landing) of roughly 104 tonnes. Note that the vast majority of that mass is fuel, as is always the case in chemical rocketry. Hence the extremely low dry weight relative to "wet" weight.
Universe - page 161
... a mental bolt of such vicious intensity that it would have gone through Tregonsee's hardest-held block as though no barrier had been there.
Evidence that at least one Plooran mind is in strength superior to Tregonsee's.
True, though earlier we see a Plooran at least take Tregonsee seriously. We may be looking at a remarkable level of variance here, or possibly a Plooran Black Lensman?
Technology - page 161 & 162
Info on the super-atomic bomb. "Detonation" time is 6.9e-8 seconds... I assume that "the earlier type" refers to vaguely realistic nuclear bombs, rather than the ridiculously efficient bombs we've seen elsewhere in the series, but if not then it might be best view super-atomic bombs as liberating the total mass-energy of itself, regular Patrol nuclear bombs as leaving some mass-energy around afterwards, and so on down to modern nuclear weapons. I assume though given other statements in the books that the difference is actually rather small, and thus the reference is to realistic nukes.
True, though if we restrict ourselves to atomic
bombs in the series, what other examples do we have?
Universe - page 172
Dad can handle this Melasnikov easily enough, if none of the higher-ups step in, but they probably will. Their Lensmen are probably important enough to rate protection. Check?"
The Children of the Lens discussing Kinnison going up against a Black Lensman, with the possibility of intervention (likely from a Plooran, very possibly an Eddorian). Also indicates that there may not be that many Black Lensmen if they can rate protection like this. In the event, it's a Plooran who tries to intervene, and promptly gets its arse kicked by the Children acting in concert as the "Unit" for the first time. Kinnison meanwhile beats the Kalonian, Melasnikov, without of course ever realising that the kids intervened.
This suggests that Melasnikov, the Kalonian Black Lensman, is "merely" L1-equivalent, possibly near the high end of that range. It wouldn't be surprising if Eddorian Lenses concentrated on mental control and being able to operate on other beings' minds (something no Kalonian would be able to do unaided).
The same Lens technology might well be more effective in the hands or hand-equivalents of a more powerfully psychic species, such as a Delgonian, an Eich, or at the extreme high end, a Plooran.
Technology - page 188
An outer screen, he knew, surrounded the whole cluster.
Eddore's outermost defences - a shield that surrounds the entire star cluster the planet's hidden in, designed primarily to warn of approach more than anything else.
Possibly one closely similar to the screen around Arisia: it cannot physically stop passage, but interference with it will set off alarms. Think of it as being like a giant laser trip-wire grid and you'd be fairly close.
Also note, of course, that there is no evidence that anyone but the Eddorians can do this; they're ahead of everything else in known space, Arisians included, when it comes to mechanical technology.
Universe - page 199
"But, Masters," a Plooran argued, "now that we have taken over, we are winning steadily. Civilization is rapidly going to pieces. In a few more years we will have smashed it flat."
"That is precisely what they wish you to think. They have been and are playing for time.
A Plooran argues with an Eddorian after Kit's raid. Interesting point of view, but I'm inclined to think it probably wrong unless significant numbers of worlds are now suffering from those mass psychoses and rebellions, and we're just not being told. So far, remember, most worlds think it purely a local matter, which means it likely hasn't had much effect on things like trade yet.
Yes, but the rate of the incidents may be escalating very quickly, as long-term developments come to a head on many planets. The fact that the matter concerned Kinnison so greatly at the beginning of the novel (and that no real progress was made until recently in preventing it from spreading) suggests that the roots of this problem may be extremely broad.
So I'm not sure
the Ploorans are wrong, though they're surely being optimistic. Possibly projecting the inherent stability of Civilization from the (poor) inherent stability of the Boskonian system? Boskone could not long survive this kind of highly capable psychological warfare, because the entire system depends so heavily on individuals hating their superiors and being held in check by fear. Remove the fear or enhance the hatred and (as we've seen) entire planets of Boskonians can go berserk and tear each other apart over trivial matters.
Civilization is a bit more durable against that kind of attack, I'd think.
Universe - page 205
"I have explored Lyrane IX thoroughly." Nadreck made the statement and paused. When he used such a thought at all, it meant much. When he emphasized it, which no one there had ever before known him to do, it meant that he had examined the planet practically atom by atom.
Talk about forensic technique...
Remember in Second Stage Lensman
when Clarissa MacDougal gave a presentation on the situation on Lyrane II... and Nadreck said that he found it "quite informative" or some such?
Cris may never have known just how high a compliment she was paid...
Universe - page 213 & 214
A lot, but gives the idea of the scale of the battle of Arisia. Seems a hell of a lot bigger than past battles, but it's been 20 years so improvements in accuracy etc may have been made. The fleets in the last section may also just be Kinnison's ones, given how the positions started out.
What do you mean by "bigger?" I don't disagree, but could you expand on that a bit?
Universe - page 214
Not sure why the Children are so slow, but anyway, the early stage of the battle. You have to love the fact that, after 20-ish years of being mostly at peace, the Patrol can just whip up over 200,000 planets and planet-killing negaspheres for this operation.
True. Of course, once you've got them there's no reason to scrap them (and, in the case of the negaspheres, excellent reason not to). And again recall the sheer scale of civilization- one mobile militarized planet per several hundred thousand normal planets isn't all that impressive when you think about it.
Universe - page 216 & 217
Boskone curbstomped. Also, super-atomics have similar power to primary beams - more total energy, but spread out over a spherical area of effect. It doesn't help though that we don't know the mass of a super-atomic bomb, but 20 years previously you could expect a superdreadnought like the Dauntless to generate 4.54e20J from one second of cosmic energy intake screen use, which works out as 108.5 gigatons. 8.9e16J = 1kg of matter, so you're looking at ~5 metric tonnes of matter converted into useable energy to equal the output of one cosmic energy screen, which should give an idea as to the likely size of a super-atomic bomb. For the sake of comparison, the real-life "daisy cutter" BLU-82 bomb weighs in at 6.8 tonnes.
Hell, it might be something speedster-sized, or even ship-sized, with the whole mass of the craft being the "warhead" of a total conversion device. A similar principle might be at work in that world-cracker torpedo the Eich were planning to use on Arisia...[/quote]
Universe - page 226
There seemed to be a theoretical possibility, since the mass would instantaneously become some higher order of infinity, that all the matter in normal space would coalesce with it in zero time; but Mentor had assured Kit that operators would come into effect to prevent such an occurrence, and that untoward effects would be limited to a radius of ten or fifteen parsecs. Mentor could solve the problem in detail; but since the solution would require some two hundred Klovian years and the event was due to occur in two weeks...
"How about the big computer at Ultra Prime?" Kinnison had asked, innocently. "You know how fast that works."
"Roughly two thousand years - if it could take that kind of math, which it can't," Kit had replied, and the subject had been dropped.
Warning: Using planets as missiles travelling at 15c in normal space whilst inert can seriously damage your health. In the event no mention is made of "untoward effects" beyond one hell of an explosion, so make of that what you will. Extra-good Arisian super-science, or a theoretical possibility that turned out to be wrong, it's kinda hard to say.
Hmm. I can think of a semi-decent explanation for how this event could blow up the universe; more on the subject when we do the Vortex Blaster
In other news, the Patrol has computers which have roughly 10% of the computational ability of four Arisian minds working in fusion - roughly, because the "big computer" couldn't handle the mathematics involved of course.
is impressive... the mathematics in question may involve, say, massively parallel computing. Or (as you suggested) closed timelike curves, which would certainly explain Arisian foresight; even if they aren't cheating and peeking at future events to find out what happens, they have nigh-unlimited processor time to contemplate events. Or some kind of bizarre "unthinkable thought" that only 4+ dimensional beings (like Palainians) can process, but that mere humans and their computers cannot.
Universe - page 227 & 228
Since ordinary novae can be produced at will by the collision of a planet with a sun, the scientists of the Patrol had long since completed their studies of all the phenomena involved.
The mechanisms of super-novae, however, remained obscure. No adequate instrumentation had been developed to study conclusively the occasional super-nova which occurred naturally. No super-nova had ever been produced artificially... Civilization could neither assemble nor concentrate enough power.
One of the 15c planets hits Ploor's highly-variable star. Assuming a star like Sol, it's radiating 2.112e35W (were Earth in orbit, it'd be hit by ~7.5e11W per square metre). However, it could be much higher[/quote]Would you mind explaining your math/reference?
Also, note that today the mechanisms of supernovae are quite well understood, at least in simulation...
Universe - page 236
Their slaves would duplicate the weapon in approximately three weeks.
The Arisians & Children reckon the Eddorians could duplicate the 15c mobile planets in this little time.
Well, the Eddorians already have
the ability to move planets via hyperspace tubes, or they wouldn't be here to make this trouble. Once they realize where such ridiculous hyperkinetic projectiles came from, it's just a matter of scouting random universes until they find one. Which they have already proven the ability to do or, again, they wouldn't be here.
The Lens - page 237 & 238
Katherine was sitting, stiffly still, manufacturing Lenses which, starting at her wrists, raced up bot bare arms to her shoulders and disappeared.
Not sure I want to know what the energy cost of THIS trick is, unless "manufacturing" in this case involves the Lens being built on Arisia & teleported to her or something.
The energy cost is colossal if Lenses are gram or kilogram-scale massive objects. If they are massless "force field" constructs? The cost could be negligible, something she's doing by pure power of mind.
Universe - page 240
Countless? Yes. Only Mentor ever knew how many minds contributed to that stupendous flood of force. Bear in mind that in the First Galaxy alone there are over one hundred thousand million suns: that each sun, has, on the average, something over one and thirty seven hundredths planets inhabited by intelligent life: that about one-half of these planets then adhered to Civilization; and that Tellus, and average planet, graduates approximately one hundred Lensmen every year.
Every available Lensman, anywhere, contributes as much mental force as they can to the defeat of the "evil effluvium" left behind after Ploor (ie, Eddore).
This works out as ~68.5 billion planets in the First Galaxy that adhere to Civilisation. Assuming Tellus is also average in its shipbuilding (80 superdreadnoughts), that gives us:
-6.85 trillion Lensmen graduating every year.
-5.48 trillion superdreadnoughts as a rough guide to the size of Grand Fleet (because, of course, there are both smaller & larger classes of warship).
I submit that Tellus is probably unusual- reasoning as follows:
-Tellus is on the brink of creating a race of psychic demigods even at the beginning of a series. Logically, humanity (and the other three L2 species) should be overrepresented among the Lensmen, because the genes that code for the L2 and L3-level abilities are washing around. In other words, what about Kimball Kinnison's second cousin?
-Tellus is considered an important enough target that at the start of Second Stage Lensman
, Kinnison and Haynes were both very confident that it
and no other world would be the target of the Boskonian attack. That implies an unusual level of military capability.
So I suspect that your high-end trillion figures are a bit too
high, but I need to give the matter more thought...
The Lens - page 253
The Lens-makers, as you know, are fully automatic, requiring neither maintenance nor attention...
Mentor talking to the Children. No idea if Arisian machinery can continue to create mental illusions or sort out the would-be Lensmen from the infiltrators like the Arisians could, but I'd assume so, given the Arisians are departing this plane of existence, leaving the Five to act as the new Guardians of Civilisation.
It's possible that the Children will take on this responsibility from the Arisians, to some extent, though Arisian automated machinery may well be highly psi-based and therefore capable of generating illusions and such... Dunno.
[collapses from exhaustion]